Evil from #nethack:

2015 Oct 21 Wed:
19:15 <Grasshopper> just founf mines end
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19:16 <ais523> Erisian_Vagabond: you need to write it as "Evil Variant" (or "Evil Patch" works too because people get that wrong so often) for it to hit my log filter
19:16 <ais523> although implementing that would be too hard anyway, and I mostly abandoned the Evil Variant when I got outcompeted by GruntHack (and later Slash'EM Extended)
19:16 <GoSagan> ?You feel foolish! You haven't been paying attention.?
19:17 <GoSagan> can someone explain this
19:18 <GoSagan> oh because i ate that mold and hallucinated?
19:18 <CuriousShadow> you have done some foolish things, enough that you lost a point of wisdom when stat-up-down turn came around
19:18 <ais523> Erisian_Vagabond: the Evil Variant isn't particularly serious
19:18 <Bloax> >Being confused or hallucinating (once every five turns)
19:19 <Erisian_Vagabond> In confused or fumbling, wands have a chance of being directed at . instead of the intended target ie it was held backwards
19:19 <Erisian_Vagabond> *If
19:20 <ais523> Erisian_Vagabond: that's Evil Variant again, right?
19:20 <Erisian_Vagabond> Yes
19:20 <Erisian_Vagabond> Actually, that one seems reasonablish to be cannon
19:21 <greywolf> Evil Variant idea: Potion of alternate reality. Behaves like a potion of hallucination except that:
19:22 <greywolf> At the end of 900 turns, everything actually assumes the form it last had when viewed in a hallucinatory state, and
2015 Oct 22 Thu:
20:16 <Owner> Dodin, or i thought you did
20:16 <Rodney> sea (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3026 points, T:1378, killed by Yeenoghu, while praying
20:16 <sea_```> I had a Wand of Wishing...whoever left that bones is evil
20:16 <Dodin> shit i'm so dumn
2015 Oct 26 Mon:
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05:10 <lpghatguy> damn, I never wrote down which level the mines entrance was on
05:13 <Erisian_Vagabond> Evil variant idea: any covetous monster holding the amulet will start exploring up dungeon levels to try and #offer the amulet themself
05:14 <ais523> I like that one but it'd be a nightmare to program
2015 Oct 29 Thu:
06:53 <stenno> hope i can go to quest asap
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06:55 <stenno> conduct yasi: never used a container
06:55 <stenno> (that'd include opening chests)
2015 Nov 01 Sun:
12:12 <Winhert> That dude seems to like me.
12:12 <Rodney> fxenakis (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 43193 points, T:10575, killed by a hill orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze
12:12 <Winhert> No way this good is evil.
12:13 <Bloax> it's all fun and games
2015 Nov 06 Fri:
13:05 <Treah_Work> grrr
13:05 <Treah_Work> so sick of these cheep crap
13:06 <Wooble> NAO's RNG is evil. play devnull instead!
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2015 Nov 14 Sat:
20:23 <Elronnd> ChrisS67: No, but score needs to be revamped
20:23 <Owner> so you could b enegative gold
20:23 <FIQ> Evil Variant: everytime you elbereth it should increase your prayer timeout
20:23 <Elronnd> Owner: bad idea
2015 Nov 28 Sat:
04:51 <Hildanknight> How easy/difficult is the Healer quest? I know some roles are advised to do the Castle (and even Gehennom) first before the Quest.
04:52 <stenno\PoF> lots of water, lots of dragons
04:52 <stenno\PoF> and the cyclops is evil once he wields the quest artifact
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2015 Dec 02 Wed:
06:28 <El_Mariachi> gettin all the useless scrolls
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06:28 <stenno> famine is evil because of stunlock
06:29 <stenno> luckily /oDeath helps and he doesn't have much HP
2015 Dec 08 Tue:
19:09 <Falling> ran setup.sh
19:09 <Falling> changed back to base and typed make all
19:09 <jonadab> Huh.
19:09 <sea```> YANI: The NetHack pay-attention-patch. It chooses whether to say "Stop Eating?" or "Continue Eating?" randomly each time.
19:10 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: ^ what sea``` just said.
19:11 <jonadab> (In Fourk, I did away with choking entirely. Eating too much makes you bloated, which causes you to get fewer movement points. The more you overeat, the worse this gets.)
23:46 <Xareli> awh
23:46 <GhostlyDeath> There goes your hat
23:46 <Menche> Evil Patch Idea: if you walk on ice with cold resistance it melts under you
23:46 <GhostlyDeath> Well at least you never put much work into your hat
2015 Dec 10 Thu:
07:00 <ais523> oh, if it was coppro who changed it, then probably
07:01 <stenno> why would there be a different reason
07:01 <ais523> actually, the first time someone described NetHack to me, they mentioned the vibrating square
07:01 <ais523> and gave the impression that it was a random square anywhere in the game, and it only vibrated once
07:01 <ais523> Evil Variant: ^
07:01 <PaRaD0xxR> paxed, who was 2nd?
2015 Dec 12 Sat:
17:22 <raisse> killed, even
17:22 <dtype> kerio: all of the query stuff uses xlogfile, but rodney checks the top 2000 list record file after each game death just because it is faster
17:22 <raisse> zombies don't make people ill, unlike in some evil variants
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17:26 <raisse> clear case of solving the wrong problem
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17:26 <dr_ais523> Evil Variant: CAPTCHA for pudding farming
17:26 <Rodney> Wilmore (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1316 points, T:2241, killed by a giant mimic
2015 Dec 14 Mon:
13:31 <shevek709> yeah gold in the bag
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13:31 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: picking up a cursed BoH can destroy some of its contents.
13:31 <Rodney> ToadInTheHole (Val Dwa Fem Law), 31400 points, T:14271, killed by a xan
13:32 <Rodney> Learath2 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 947 points, T:1935, killed by a hill orc
13:32 <Rodney> Learath2 reaches #1146 on the top 2000 list.
13:32 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: cursed bags of holding can be generated in tool shops and general stores, containing Ogresmasher, Grimtooth, Orcrist, or the Heart of Ahrimann.
13:32 <kadoban> jonadab: Okay, that's far more evil
13:33 <aosdict> couldn't have the heart though, it's a quest artifact
13:33 <shevek709> just zap it with wand of cancellation before picking it up
13:33 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: zapping a BoH with cancellation makes it explode
13:33 <georgios> Is there a way to make your character more visible on the screen? I'm invisible which makes it really tiresome to follow my own movements
2015 Dec 16 Wed:
04:30 <raisse> 09:34 < paxed> value 1 for condition is blindness, value 2 is conf, 4 foodpois, 8 ill, 16 hallu, 32 stun, 64 slimed
04:30 <FIQ> and there are no pits (or indeed any traps) on astral
04:31 <FIQ> evil patch idea: monsters use drums of earthquake
04:31 <FalseLobster> There are undocumented things
19:20 <petitchou> if I remember right, bags of tricks can be recharged indefinitely, too. you can use them to altarscum on a tourist after the quest, although by that point you probably don't need to
19:20 <shevek709> good ole honest farming
19:20 <Grasshopper> petitchou, that is an evil idea
19:21 <Grasshopper> I like it
2015 Dec 17 Thu:
15:55 <Fed_eralReserve> i can hear him looking through everything
15:55 <Rodney> ertuu (Val Hum Fem Law), 228 points, T:417, killed by a goblin
15:55 <Frisk_> That's so evil, Fed_eralReserve
15:55 <Fed_eralReserve> Oh it's much more evil what he's up to
2015 Dec 18 Fri:
11:19 <Wooble> YANI: the game reads IRC and determines whether you sound too confident.
11:19 <Frisk_> At least for these dragons
11:19 <Wooble> (might count as evil patch idea)
11:19 <Telnaior> (ftr, intrinsic acid resistance isn't a thing)
2015 Dec 20 Sun:
00:31 <FalseLobster> Nesta can't you just wish for nothing to salvage conduct?
00:31 <ais523> I can't remember whether I had to decline a wish or not
00:31 <Nesta> I’m just saying the rng is evil that way
00:31 <ais523> FalseLobster: you can, but a) it's tempting not to, b) you lose the potion effect
01:45 <anselmus> other may not even notice a difference
01:46 <ais523> BaronVonAwesome: many of the later balance-changing variants (Fourk and to some extent Un) have been looking at ways to make the early-game easier to counteract a general difficulty increase
01:46 <ais523> BaronVonAwesome: that said, one of the few changes that made it into the actual implemented part of the Evil Variant (which is very small) was a fixed +10 in the monster difficulty formula
01:46 <BaronVonAwesome> yeah except they also throw in huge piles of other shit that I'm not interested in
23:17 <dtype> Rodney: graph my last 2 queries, google style, and tweet the imgur link to me please
23:17 <Bloax> it's a free world
23:18 <Elronnd> EPI: cursed tripe has a %1 chance of polying you into a dog
23:18 <dtype> Rodney: still waiting for that graph
2015 Dec 24 Thu:
04:49 <ais523> in 3.4.3 attempting to unlock a mimic tells you there isn't a door there
04:49 <ais523> I reported that to the devteam as a bug and assume it's fixed for 3.6.0, but am not sure whta happens instead
04:50 <attie> I think I read something like that, but it might just have been an evil patch idea
04:50 <sleepingcard> whats a good class for newbs
2015 Dec 27 Sun:
12:08 <ais523> currently my cloak's an apron
12:08 <ais523> anyone know the MC of those things?
12:08 <FIQ> [16:00:47] And conflict in astral summons Archons, no angels
12:08 <FIQ> that's... good to know
12:09 <ais523> Evil Variant: ^
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16:42 <Demo_> once a troll through its polearm at me
16:42 <Demo_> *threw
16:43 <FIQ> evil patch idea: when you wish, your wished for object is given to a random monster in the dungeon
16:43 <Rodney> Nimuialwing (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1660 points, T:3637, killed by a dingo
16:43 <Rodney> Nimuialwing reaches #1606 on the top 2000 list.
16:43 <ChrisS67> or just appears on a random square on the current level
16:43 <Demo_> I had a great evil patch idea earlier
16:43 <Rodney> Nerin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2411 points, T:2059, killed by a soldier ant
2015 Dec 28 Mon:
03:46 <raisse> yes, that looks like a normal DEC maze level
03:46 <ShivanHunter> doing so now, was just confirming
03:47 <ShivanHunter> evil patch idea, new elemental plane: the plane of magic traps
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2016 Jan 08 Fri:
23:13 <Andrio> You can still do that.
23:13 <Gr66ss> BUT WAIT
23:13 <Menche> Evil Patch Idea: shopkeepers charge you for hurting their pet mimics
23:13 <Gr66ss> IT'S A LARGE MIMIC
2016 Jan 12 Tue:
14:29 <Rodney> Eniteris (Sam Hum Fem Law), 204 points, T:842, killed by a magic missile
14:29 <Wooble> also, charge your rings and wands.
14:30 <Wooble> I'm beginning to think 3.6 is really just the evil variant. :)
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2016 Jan 13 Wed:
16:47 <yury_> if you live
16:47 <Nerin> Okay, here I go.
16:47 <Crawldragon360> Evil patch idea: Leprechauns can steal gold even if you drop it on the ground
16:47 <yury_> Crawldragon360: they do now, actually
2016 Jan 15 Fri:
00:29 <dizzylizzy> galghaghl i want snickers ice cream now
00:29 <BaronVonAwesome> true story, I ate my last snickers ice cream bar last night
00:29 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: Cursed ? of teleport have a nonzero chance of accidentally porting you into a solid wall
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2016 Jan 17 Sun:
12:30 <Rodney> schep (Mon Hum Fem Law), 8350 points, T:5539, killed by a tiger
12:30 <Rodney> schep reaches #1495 on the top 2000 list.
12:30 <raisse> I'm forever grumbling about all the nerfs but poison instadeath is EVIL
12:31 <elenmirie> yay, I feel in control of myself!
2016 Jan 24 Sun:
05:44 <ross`> You will soon be the most unpopular indivudal here :D
05:44 <ross`> s/indivudal/individual/
05:44 <elenmirie> oh no, there are others giving the dev team even more evil ideas!
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2016 Feb 05 Fri:
16:33 <ais523> put you in the exact same situation as the former adventurer
16:33 <Taelia_> Yeah sheesh!
16:33 <ais523> Evil Variant: maybe it can set your HP total and inventory to the sam evalues too
16:33 <Taelia_> And remove all items from your inventory and replace them.
2016 Feb 11 Thu:
10:01 <cmtptr> oh that's creepy
10:02 <cmtptr> I was actually moving towards a door and then I step on some graffiti in the middle of the room: "Watch out there's a ?nome with a wa?d cf death beh?nd th?? c or!"
10:02 <Wooble> evil patch idea: that's always true.
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2016 Mar 04 Fri:
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15:00 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: if a monster zaps a wand of teleportation at you, it teleports your shield if you have one, or else your cloak, or body armor, or shirt; if you have none of that, it teleports you -- leaving the rest of your inventory behind.
15:02 <Rodney> a43 (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2570 points, T:1495, killed by a wand
2016 Mar 12 Sat:
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02:29 <Madd_the_Sane> Quote #244 is evil!
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2016 Mar 14 Mon:
16:22 <Rodney> gibbas (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 24795 points, T:9464, killed by an invisible stalker
16:22 <Rodney> gibbas reaches #1372 on the top 2000 list.
16:22 <Wooble> evil patch idea: DSM blasts you
16:23 <xiv|2> I should wish for +5 greased blessed sdsm right
2016 Apr 01 Fri:
12:56 <Scarface> hehe
12:56 <hothraxxa> dammit
12:57 <hackedhead> EPI: cursed rings of res double the damage instead of nullify it.
12:58 <hackedhead> meet lich -> put on =oCR, lich curses, then frost touch attack. RIP player. =D
2016 Apr 30 Sat:
10:14 <elenmirie> yes but you have to dip twice
10:14 <elenmirie> and don't do it with potion of acid
10:14 <FIQ> YASI: altar shops, doing altar management requires payment
10:14 <Rodney> WuX (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1104 points, T:2025, quit
2016 May 01 Sun:
10:57 <Rodney> buried (Val Hum Fem Law), 475 points, T:645, killed by a gnome lord
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10:59 <inari> who’s evil idea was that?
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2016 May 02 Mon:
14:26 <PsyMar> then it bounces off the ceiling and comes down
14:26 <PsyMar> or the dungeon could come down I guess if GoP
14:27 <PsyMar> (EPI)
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2016 May 13 Fri:
10:25 <Rodney> Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 958 points, T:2770, killed by a hobbit
10:26 <Grasshopper> Obviously Rodney listened to me when I said we need more Evil Dead references
10:26 <Wooble> (to be fair the entire game is evil and wants you dead)
10:26 <raisse> hate hobbitses
2016 May 23 Mon:
13:14 <Homage_> Of course
13:14 <Homage_> I thought K2 meant traps like ^
13:14 <K2> shock traps, used wrong term
13:14 <Homage_> yeah
13:15 <Wooble> non-container shock traps would be evil.
13:15 <Homage_> Isn't the type of trap on trapped boxes/chests/doors are only generated when you trigger them?
2016 May 28 Sat:
21:59 <hothraxxa> never hit me
21:59 <jonadab> Unlike, say, Rodney.
21:59 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: Once you kill Kaen, he keeps coming back, like Rodney.
21:59 <K2_> apparently kaen is affected by scroll of scare monster
2016 May 30 Mon:
13:13 <stenno> wait thats not the one
13:14 <stenno> that was the one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Hall_problem
13:14 <Menche\demiF> Evil Patch Idea: tins of troll meat have a chance of grabbing your through and suffocating you when eaten
13:14 <Menche\demiF> throat*
2016 Jun 22 Wed:
14:39 <ChrisE> raisse: Aside from the duplication in that, I reckon the game should decide whether it is "petrified" or "stoned".
14:39 <Wooble> But I don't know what the exact criteria is for fainting; you may always do it at 0
14:39 <APic> Yet another evil Idea: Famine has a ranged Attack that empties Your Stomach
14:39 <greqrg> I would assume so as well, Wooble.
2016 Jun 28 Tue:
06:35 <stennowork> ah k
06:36 <Rodney> siriuszwarts (Val Hum Fem Law), 784 points, T:1361, killed by a giant ant
06:38 <pinkcathodecat> sokoban is evil
06:39 <pinkcathodecat> I would happily play any variant that got rid of it
2016 Jul 01 Fri:
12:46 <rschaff> np
12:47 <YakumoRising> I wonder if 3.6.1 made martial arts bonus apply to hits that roll base damage of 1...
12:48 <raisse> it would be a nice evil idea
12:48 <raisse> (the rotting corpses, not the martial arts bonus)
2016 Jul 05 Tue:
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16:22 <Demo_> had a great evil patch idea
16:23 <Rodney> Henrique (Arc Hum Mal Law), 736 points, T:702, killed by a brown mold
2016 Aug 08 Mon:
10:38 <Rodney> Tatsu42 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 942 points, T:3598, killed by Juiblex
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10:39 <xq> rng is evil
10:39 <Rodney> elenmirie (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 420 points, T:588, killed by a hobbit
2016 Sep 02 Fri:
09:08 <IriTheEerie> I always imagined you did something like an incantation or prayer with it.
09:08 <Dracunos-m> All we need is to add jousting with other unicorns
09:08 <IriTheEerie> Alternatively, I've had an image of you stabbing yourself in the thigh, like an epi-pen.
09:08 <bezaban> hahaha, don't think that was mentioned actually
2016 Sep 08 Thu:
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08:55 <Grasshopper_> if you need intrinsics, you might get the right tins
08:56 <IriTheEerie> Evil Patch Idea: Make it so the Violet fungus, instead of making you hallucinate when you eat it, instead robs you of your sense of smell so you cannot tell what is in tins.
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2016 Oct 05 Wed:
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11:27 <rmd> decaf
11:27 <rmd> Wizard of Yendor is evil
11:27 <xyzyxx> bucket
2016 Oct 24 Mon:
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11:28 <Menche> what role?
11:29 <cdsboy> Violla: T_T IBMgraphics is evil~
11:29 <Rodney> Homage (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 639 points, T:1325, killed by a dwarvish spear
22:33 <Welkin> that was your candy bar!
22:35 <Grasshopper> or maybe it was the packed of crisps I was saving for later?
22:36 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: a monster that attacks your kidneys. If your kidneys get all the way crushed, toxins build up in your body every time you eat for the rest of the game. Too many toxins and you die.
22:41 <Rodney> Qate (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 528 points, T:1212, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food
2016 Oct 26 Wed:
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12:41 <Rodney> Kuromatsu (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 96 points, T:444, killed by a dart
12:41 <Violla> Team a is evil
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2016 Nov 03 Thu:
09:02 <Rodney> 9TJRocks9 (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 673 points, T:1074, killed by a kitten
09:02 <Tangles> I'm almost certain that didn't happen.
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09:03 <askhl> attie: I'd say ^C avoids the vi problem
09:04 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: Ctrl-C is interpreted as leaning on the . key until you die.
09:04 <ChrisE> I think it would make most sense to have it map to Save.
2016 Nov 09 Wed:
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12:06 <Rodney> merpish (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 428 points, T:320, killed by a giant bat
12:07 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: If a leashed pet falls down a trap, instead of slipping out of the leash they are lynched.
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2016 Nov 19 Sat:
02:11 *Menche wears the high boots
02:12 <Crawldragon> Wouldn't boots of levitation result in you floating upside-down because your feet are lighter than your head?
02:12 *Crawldragon suddenly conceives of an evil patch idea
02:12 <Menche> heh
02:14 <CuriousShadow> maybe his coworkers got laid off and all his help was outsourced
02:15 <CuriousShadow> and he just doesn't care anymore
02:15 <Menche> evil patch idea: running with speed boots causes you to fumble if you're dexterity isn't high enough to keep your balance with them
02:15 <Menche> s/you're/your/g
17:03 <aosdict> I don't think so, and there aren't that many metallic rings
17:03 <melbogia> that i am wearing
17:04 <aosdict> evil patch idea, though
17:04 <melbogia> >.<
2016 Nov 29 Tue:
12:51 <Rodney> h2g2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 4691 points, T:3857, killed by a blue jelly
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12:51 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: the cockatrice's hissing attack no longer requires melee range; it works if the cockatrice can sense you. Also, cockatrices can sense anything that's carrying a cockatrice corpse, from anywhere on the level.
12:53 <wizard0> nethackwiki.com is down?
2016 Dec 06 Tue:
01:38 <Menche> Your stomach lining teleports across the level! Your stomach acid eats through your body cavity. You die...
01:38 <DogeKip> I had to
01:38 <Crawldragon> Menche: ........eeeeeeevil patch idea :D
01:38 <DogeKip> I was hungry and had nothing to do about it but nymph
2016 Dec 07 Wed:
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01:11 <kadoban> Crawldragon: That would be a rather hilarious evil patch idea. Sound-alike books and scrolls that do nonsense effects
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2016 Dec 09 Fri:
23:02 <aosdict> You harmlessly attack a statue.
23:02 <Menche> your dagger dulls!
23:02 <Menche> Evil Patch Idea
23:03 <mrph> lol
2016 Dec 10 Sat:
19:09 <Menche> lol
19:09 <Welkin> aosdict: the dirt gets worn down too easily
19:10 <Menche> Evil Patch Idea: because the floors are apparently made of wood, engrave-testing a wand of fire burns a hole in the floor
19:11 <aosdict> honestly wands of digging should have a (small) chance of that too
19:11 <Menche> heh yeah
19:11 <Menche> it uses up a full charge, where does the extra energy go?
19:11 <hothraxxa> evil patch idea: wooden wands of fire always ignite doing 3d8 damage and a chance of burning your stuff
19:11 <Menche> :D
2016 Dec 19 Mon:
21:34 <Crawldragon> I told you not to wave money around in the red light district, didn't I?
21:34 <DRAMSUS> hope I don't spawn a water demon
21:34 *Crawldragon suddenly has an evil patch idea to add a "red light district" to mine town
21:34 <hothraxxa> pretty sure slex already has one
2017 Jan 13 Fri:
16:54 <OlaRune> wow i hate nymphs with wand of digging
16:54 <OlaRune> too bad you can't genocide all nymphs with blessed genocide in unnethack
16:55 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: all nymphs get a wand. 25% digging, 25% lightning, 50% random other wand, could be anything.
16:57 <bouquetbouquet> jonadab: only if I get to start with a wand of death to nymphs
16:58 <jonadab> How about a wand of create nymphs? <-- EPI
16:58 <stenno> monsters should be able to use cursed scroll of genocide
2017 Jan 14 Sat:
20:20 <Menche> :/
20:20 <Menche> cosmic, dude
20:21 <Menche> Evil Patch Idea: if a shopkeeper sees you hallucinating he calls the Kops, if a watchman sees you hallucinating they turn hostile
20:22 <Menche> drug free dungeons!
21:05 <Menche> of course you'd notice your HP not dropping
21:05 <dimestop> bbl, breakfast time
21:05 <Menche> ooh, Evil Patch Idea: when hallucinating, your HP and Pw fields are randomized
21:05 <Rodney> jspeed (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 11008 points, T:8674, killed by a chameleon imitating an air elemental
2017 Jan 17 Tue:
16:13 <pecan> So I'm going to assume I accidentally killed her and crumbled her statue in a battle with a kraken.
16:13 <bezaban> pecan: she's fine to leave as long as you keep reflection on
16:13 <jonadab> YASI: you can throw a cursed potion of gain level at a monster, and the vapors will send it up a level.
16:13 <pecan> bezaban: Wait, do you not need to blind yourself with reflection in 3.6?
16:18 <jonadab> To stone all his foes.
16:18 <jleinonen> I've always wondered how Perseus in NetHack got himself stoned with a shield of reflection in his inventory
16:18 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: shield of stoning.
16:18 <pecan> hm, does hitting things with medusa's corpse work like a cockatrice?
2017 Jan 26 Thu:
09:19 <Rodney> Kolob68 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1454 points, T:1668, killed by a soldier ant
09:20 <JingleHell> Good news is, my Valk only lost 1 strength and a boatload of useless Int
09:20 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: mind flayers have a 35% chance to generate with special poisoned darts, which bypass poison resistance.
09:21 <JingleHell> They already have a too common stat drain
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09:23 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: if a mind flayer locks onto your telepathy, it can drain your Int and/or Wis.
09:24 <raisse> from a distance? evil indeed
09:27 <JingleHell> Oh, it's bones, too
09:27 <raisse> ooh, minetown wizard bones
09:27 <Grasshopper> jonadab, if you implemented all of your evil patch ideas, your fork would make slex look like sesame street by comparison
09:27 <jonadab> Grasshopper: Yes, but I'm not planning to do that.
09:27 <Grasshopper> phew!
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09:34 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: Fast Lichens. Just like lichens, but speed 36. One difficulty level higher than regular lichens.
09:34 <Mickmane> free food?
09:34 <aosdict> not particularly evil, is it?
09:34 <Mickmane> attack? I thought it was just response when you attacked them
09:35 <jonadab> But I've got a better Evil Patch Idea: a type of ants that have a grab-and-hold attack that does damage.
09:35 <JingleHell> I'm dealing with 3-4 bones levels stacked together in mines. This is either amazing or horrid
09:41 <MrWisski> fml, i knew it
09:41 <Rodney> MrWisski (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5597 points, T:3736, killed by a mumak
09:41 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: ghosts have a passive attack that sticks to you, like a lichen; it also has a 10% chance to summon another ghost.
09:42 <Mickmane> aw MrWisski
2017 Jan 29 Sun:
05:28 <Broken25> it doesn't even waste the potion
05:28 <Broken25> since you can unlit it right away
05:28 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: dipping a magic lamp in a potion of oil converts it to an oil lamp.
05:28 <Mickmane> will the prompt offer it even if not identified?
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11:13 <hothraxxa> turn count is only important to speedrunners
11:13 <Mickmane> My new char, knight, got to minetown pretty quicky (due to beating up stuff instead of running away and letting pet do it), then yasid'd, of course.
11:13 <Mickmane> I am good at doing yasd!
11:13 <stenno> yasid = yet another stupid intelligent death
11:13 <Mickmane> or even stupid idiot deaths, if I want ot excuse the typo there
2017 Jan 31 Tue:
10:02 <jinglehell> I had a bad one yesterday with werejackal.
10:02 <jinglehell> It was probably the most unavoidable deaths I've had in a while.
10:02 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: werefoxes.
10:03 <Neko-chan> Weregiantants
10:03 <jinglehell> Weretrolls
10:03 <Neko-chan> imagine if team a summoned more team a
10:03 <jonadab> wereants indeed would be evil.
10:04 <Rodney> oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1545 points, T:2234, killed by an arrow
10:06 <jonadab> Those too.
10:06 <jonadab> And weregridbugs.
10:07 <jonadab> EPI: wereblacklights
10:07 <jinglehell> Can you imagine getting pinned in a corner by an ever growing army of mindflayers?
10:07 <Mandevil> EPI: werejonadabs
10:07 <Rodney> CyberSam (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 108 points, T:522, killed by a sewer rat
10:08 <Mandevil> Can you imagine ever growing army of EPI's?
10:08 <Andrio> Interesting how our blind elven wizard can feel a 'runed dagger' but doesn't immediately realise it's an elven dagger.
2017 Feb 01 Wed:
22:24 <jinglehell> Lich aggravated monsters on me
22:24 <n8tron_> I think the aggrevate monster spell is what currently causes it
22:24 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: new monster spell, Summon Wizard of Yendor.
22:25 <sproingie> WOY revives himselve pretty handily on his own
22:25 <sproingie> can't very well revive yourself if you're still alive, can you?
22:25 <jonadab> Well, there's Double Trouble.
22:26 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: Quadruple Trouble.
22:26 <sproingie> jonadab: that could get quadratic pretty quickly
22:29 <jinglehell> Was my best ever attempt, and it all went to shit when I accidentally aggroed Rodney prior to being prepared.
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22:29 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: non-player monsters take only half damage when carrying the Amulet; but the player takes double.
22:30 <Mickmane> Next time you know to prepare before Gehennom. :)
22:30 <Mickmane> ouch
22:30 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: the Amulet weighs as much as a loadstone.
22:30 <jinglehell> No, next time I know to not enter gehennom. The amulet is overrated.
2017 Feb 02 Thu:
15:35 <Rodney> PunchCop (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 273 points, T:925, killed by a brown mold
15:36 <Rodney> lordthingy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 462 points, T:1308, killed by a shuriken
15:36 <aosdict> amnesia spells have probably already been suggested as an Evil Patch Idea, right, jonadab?
15:38 <Rodney> lordthingy (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 70 points, T:366, killed by a water moccasin
18:21 <jonadab> But yes, a lot of monsters are speed 18, but rather fewer are faster. Horse, warhorse, unicorns, queen bee, several of the vortices, bats (but their movement pattern works against their speed), ravens, mountain C, air E, and I think the mail daemon.
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18:22 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: werebees. Speed 24. Poison sting. Lycanthropy bite. And they summon a to help them.
18:22 <Rodney> Eldak (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 112 points, T:425, killed by a gnome
18:22 <jonadab> And _generate in groups_.
18:22 <Rodney> dreadpirate (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 17245 points, T:11347, killed by a soldier ant
18:23 <jonadab> (Generating in groups is really the part that would be evil.)
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2017 Feb 03 Fri:
14:22 <jonadab> I'm tempted to say that the right answer is to eliminate MC3 entirely for at least one dev cycle, rebalance the game until it's _playable_ that way, and then maybe add the ability to get MC3 via protection back in.
14:23 <aosdict> Hmm, that makes the Mitre of Holiness a bit more useful
14:23 <jonadab> Or, Evil Patch Idea: which cloaks give which MC levels is randomized at game start. It's possible that in your game no cloak gives any MC, depending on how the RNG feels about you.
14:24 <aosdict> I'd rather have it with MC tied to appearance, so something is MC3 but it's random
2017 Feb 04 Sat:
18:37 <introsp3ctive> happened three times on this damn floor and i'm so over it
18:37 <Mickmane> ouch
18:37 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: when a monster spawns in Sokoban, the game goes out of its way to try to put it right in front of the pits.
18:38 <Mickmane> lol
18:38 <sproingie> jonadab: most of these evil patch ideas could just be based on luck
18:38 <SophiaMakoto> "The wand is too worn out to engrave."
18:39 <sproingie> there's a reason the wand's previous owner is dead
18:39 <sproingie> jonadab: sure, but it's a good way to get evil into your game
18:39 <sproingie> personally, i think the existence of the sokoban levels is evil enough
18:39 <jonadab> sproingie: The whole point of Evil Patch Ideas is that they're _not_ a good way, they're the things you'd only do if you're trying to make the game unplayable.
18:39 <jonadab> sproingie: Have you seen the Evil Variant sokoban levels?
18:40 <introsp3ctive> there's actually an evil variant?
18:40 <introsp3ctive> who took the time to sit down and make that?
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18:40 <sproingie> yah but i'm a big picture dialectic kind of guy, i like to make everyone happy :)
18:40 <sproingie> introsp3ctive: the dev team. some just took their work further ;)
18:41 <introsp3ctive> I'd have to agree with you sproingie, Sokoban is evil.
18:41 <Rodney> Baka (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 4778 points, T:7723, killed by a soldier ant
18:41 <Mickmane> make me a turn based build game without fighting! ;P (like Theme park in turn based, for example).
18:41 <jonadab> introsp3ctive: There's not actually an Evil Variant, no. Unless you count slex.
18:41 <sproingie> i never cared much for sokoban in general
18:42 <Mickmane> I vaguely remember that
18:42 <Mickmane> haha
18:43 <jonadab> And _then_, the developer started deliberately implementing evil patch ideas, because, umm, I have no idea why.
18:43 <Mickmane> I remember twoweaponing machine guns, on astral
2017 Feb 05 Sun:
07:51 <Mickmane> well, just don't try to manually fight c
07:51 <Mickmane> and Fuzzy the new dog
07:52 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: if the player steps on a polytrap, it polymorphs the player... and summons 3d3 cockatrices.
07:53 <Mickmane> haha
07:55 <OlaRune> Evil Patch Idea: polytraps polymorph the player and every inventory item
07:55 <jonadab> That would be abusable actually.
07:57 <Mickmane> lol
07:57 <Mickmane> sleep well
07:57 <jonadab> Oooh, Evil Patch Idea: zombies eat your brain. This drains Int (and kills you if it gets below 3) and causes amnesia.
07:57 <raisse> The aliasing priest discusses dungeon exploration.
07:57 <raisse> jonadab: aren't mind flayers enough?
07:58 <jonadab> raisse: But mind flayers don't occur in the early game very much.
07:58 <jonadab> Also, if we combine int-draining amnesia-causing zombies with the Grunt zombie changes, that really would be evil.
07:59 <ShadowWraith> don't grunt zombies already drain int/cause amnesia
11:16 <OlaRune> if you're strong enough
11:16 <Gustavo6046> yeah
11:16 <OlaRune> Evil Patch Idea: giants throwing cockatrices
11:16 <Gustavo6046> haha yeah
2017 Feb 05 Sun:
18:54 <Rodney> pugman (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1670 points, T:2421, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze
18:55 <Rodney> jbhappy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8873 points, T:9809, killed by an elf mummy
18:55 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: when you kill the high priest of Moloch, Moloch appears in person and must be defeated to escape the Sanctum
18:55 <Mickmane> Now that the link is made, of course I get scared when I see "cocktrice"
2017 Feb 06 Mon:
11:23 <Grasshopper> an other thing
11:23 <Grasshopper> participating in this channel definitely is
11:23 <sproingie> evil patch idea: random price variations
11:23 <raisse> anyone remember that guy on rec.games.roguelike.nethack who couldn't believe that anyone could ascend without cheating?
14:34 <stenno> disenchanter has -10 as has master kaen
14:34 <Rodney> nomadicmathmo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 702 points, T:958, killed by a dwarf
14:35 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: When Master Kaen hits you, it disenchants everything in your inventory, equipped or not.
14:35 <jonadab> Because he is not dangerous enough as it is.
14:36 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: disenchanters can take your equipment below 0. This causes it to become cursed, if it wasn't already.
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14:39 <Broken25> Right
14:39 <jonadab> EPI: There could also be a cyan R, that teleports random bits of your equipment.
14:39 <Broken25> Blue R's belong to the geno pile now
2017 Feb 08 Wed:
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13:46 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: Air Archon. Found on the Plane of Air. Like an archon, except it's whirly and fast like an air elemental and can engulf you (and then use its archon attacks on you while you are engulfed).
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2017 Feb 09 Thu:
08:54 <Rodney> merpish (Val Hum Fem Law), 8 points, T:46, killed by a bolt of lightning
08:56 <Rodney> Kawu77 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 327 points, T:611, killed by an acid blob
08:59 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: bags of tricks with a lot of charges are too heavy to lift. Sometimes they are generated on a tile with a random grave and a ghost.
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12:38 <Tehsapper> that's why I'm not a fan of getting a wish from the first magic lamp
12:38 <Tehsapper> they're too good for fast exploring
12:39 <jonadab> LarienTelrunya: EPI: armor can randomly have a property that prevents search (including autosearch) from ever finding anything. You don't get any message about this, search just doesn't work.
12:39 <LarienTelrunya> ooh! that's a great one, will implement :D
12:40 <bezaban> epic patch idea?
12:40 <jonadab> bezaban: Evil Patch Idea.
12:40 <bezaban> eevil!
12:40 <LarienTelrunya> evil patch ideas are written with EPI pens :D
12:40 <Crawldragon> I swear to god if I see that happen in a variant I'm going to burn it all down
12:41 <bezaban> slashem?
12:41 <Crawldragon> I miss SporkHack
12:41 <jonadab> bezaban: If you want to see my whole collection of Evil Patch Ideas, http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/evil-patch-ideas.log (be warned: it's large)
12:42 <bezaban> jonadab: lovely!
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12:42 <Crawldragon> Why is there no line wrapping?
12:42 <LarienTelrunya> bezaban: slashem extended, the fork that is so evil it gets players up in arms :D
12:43 <jonadab> Crawldragon: It's just a logfile.
13:10 <Rodney> Kolob68 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1135 points, T:35789, killed by a bat
13:10 <Rodney> atorox (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 362 points, T:759, killed by a hobbit
13:12 <Crawldragon> Evil Patch Idea: a trap that disables all color for the rest of your game.
13:12 <Crawldragon> Didn't that happen in Slex?
15:23 <Rodney> gsruff (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2739 points, T:3114, killed by a soldier ant
15:23 <Tehsapper> if you still got identify, it doesn't bite to id your wand of death
15:23 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: when anything steals the Amulet from you, it will replace it in your inventory with a cheap plastic imitation.
15:23 <stenno> isn't that actually what can happen sometimes..?
2017 Feb 10 Fri:
14:00 <Mickmane> hehe
14:01 <Wooble> I briefly considered trying to write a patch that would cache the ascs he announces to add them back in until the db is updated but I can't look at his source without wanting to refactor the entire thing. :)
14:01 <aosdict> what is this "potion of amnesia"? it must be a new Evil Patch Idea
14:01 <ChrisS67> sounds like a SLASHEM item
2017 Feb 11 Sat:
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22:26 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: if possible, the level generator for the first ten dungeon levels tries to put the down stairs next to a fountain, if there is one on the level. So that if quaffers leave bones, you get the water demon as soon as you go down the stairs.
22:27 <Rodney> marum (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 981 points, T:1250, killed by a hobbit
2017 Feb 13 Mon:
00:17 <Menche> !polymorph West1C_
00:17 *Rodney zaps a wand of polymorph at West1C_. West1C_ turns into a cave spider!
00:17 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: cursed lizards stone the player
00:17 <Thelis> !polymorph
00:27 <Menche> don't accidentally kick the altar :P
00:28 <Rodney> Kolob68 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1369 points, T:42205, quit
00:29 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: https://alt.org/nethack/dudley/?118
00:31 <Elronnd> btw can you guys start making more dd strips or declare dd dead
2017 Feb 14 Tue:
14:15 <ChrisS67> his level increasing doesn't matter if you just death ray him each time
14:15 <ChrisS67> unless you're playing pacifist it should be an non-issue
14:15 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: monsters with wands of digging specifically go out of their way to flee to doorways before zapping down.
14:16 <Rodney> Reddit: Q: when polypiling rings with enchantments, is the enchantment retained? https://redd.it/5u2b49
2017 Feb 15 Wed:
13:00 <ChrisS67> but if EEEEEE is what you prefer, fine
13:00 <Wooble> YANI: typing zzzzz puts you to sleep.
13:00 <Wooble> (ok, that might be an evil patch)
13:01 <ChrisS67> just to clarify, there's no difference at all between engraving and zapping for a non-directional wand in 3.6
2017 Feb 18 Sat:
19:26 <Mickmane> I think a photo of medusa doesn't do the same, maybe her face would be fuzzy, foggish, you just can't photograph it
19:26 <West1C> Mickmane: it would be an excellent griefing tool
19:26 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: getting a photo of Medusa stones the little demon inside your camera and renders it unusable
19:26 <Mickmane> there, that makes sense, except your little demon refuses to paint her!
2017 Feb 20 Mon:
06:27 <bezaban> ah :)
06:27 <jonadab> Or scrolls of create monster, same deal.
06:28 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: scroll of polymorph. Always turns you into a newt when you read it. Base price, 20zm.
06:28 <bezaban> well. it got better.
06:28 <jonadab> Super Evil Patch Idea: if the scroll is cursed, it turns you into a newt and then gives you intrinsic unchanging.
06:29 <bezaban> lol
2017 Feb 21 Tue:
11:47 <Grasshopper> "You disable the rust trap! You create a pool of water. You sink like a rock!"
11:47 <LordCreepity> whoops
11:50 <Wooble> evil patch idea: wearing water-walking boots, rust trap makes you fly into the ceiling
11:51 <Rodney> michelmartinet (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 14977 points, T:11656, killed by a soldier ant
17:27 <Rodney> wub has not ascended in 42 games.
17:27 <stenno> tomorrow i have to be at work at an actually reasonable time so i should go to bed
17:27 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: ants should generate in realistic-sized groups.
17:27 <dimestop> I want to ascend before 100
2017 Feb 26 Sun:
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11:48 <Wayward_Vagabond> yasi: wearing a cursed sack gives intrinsic blindness, and inability to eat or quaff anything
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13:33 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: being crowned reduces your HP regeneration rate by half.
13:34 <jonadab> EPI: finishing the quest reduces your HP regeneration rate by half.
13:34 <jonadab> EPI: performing the Invocation reduces your HP regeneration rate by half.
13:34 <aosdict> ...and those stack, I presume
13:34 <stenno> a scaling lategame, impossible
13:35 <Rodney> mosen (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1037 points, T:2124, killed by a giant bat
13:35 <aosdict> Ugh, just sacrificing for gifts and praying for telepathy is going to be so annoying
13:35 <jonadab> EPI: the Wizard of Yendor decreases your HP regen rate by half every time he shows up.
13:36 <stenno> when you have the ammy, your hp regen is decresed by half
13:38 <aosdict> With no force, a well prepared wizard could get back through the entire dungeon in around 300 turns
13:38 <aosdict> Not saying that's a bad thing
13:39 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: each named demon you kill increases the impact that the mysterious force has on your character
13:39 <stenno> all teleport would be forbidden
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13:49 <jonadab> Crawldragon: Evil Patch Idea: each _demon_ you vanquish increases the impact that the mysterious force has on your character.
13:49 <stenno> there is a difference between 'evil' and 'stupid' :v
13:49 <jonadab> Basically, if (rn2(1 + demons_vanquished())) do_mysterious_force();
13:50 <Crawldragon> Evil patch idea: Each of jonadab's patches you compile into your NetHack increases the impact that the mysterious force has on your character
13:50 <stenno> lol Crawldragon
2017 Mar 03 Fri:
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16:58 <shashara1a> AHHH! those eyes! so evil!
16:58 <APic> Eyes are always evil.
2017 Mar 04 Sat:
18:17 <Raeven0> it's a good thing stone-to-flesh turns rocks into meatballs rather than, say, your_race kidneys
18:17 <Elronnd> Raeven0: pls make that a patch
18:17 <jonadab> Raeven0: That's what we call an Evil Patch Idea.
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18:19 <jonadab> tripe ration
18:20 <Rodney> ksw (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3839 points, T:4237, killed by a watchman, while praying
18:20 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: food rations come in thirty or forty different varieties, and you have to identify, or eat one of, each, in order to recognize what it is. Some of them contain meat. Some of them contain meat from playable races, which can be cannibalism.
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18:21 <jonadab> EPI: also, your character can randomly (determined at game start) be allergic to one of the types of food ration. Deathly allergic.
18:21 <Demo> sounds like slex
18:22 <Raeven0> that's just cruel
18:22 <ilbelkyr> You start writing in the dust. Unfortunately, you are highly allergic to dust. You die...
18:22 <jonadab> Heh, that's an even better EPI.
18:22 <Raeven0> maybe someone with a dust allergy shouldn't have gone adventuring o_o
2017 Mar 14 Tue:
11:55 <ab5ni> How about artifact lev?
11:55 <CharlieBr0wn> Same I think
11:55 <Wooble> evil patch idea: make the plane of fire 100% full of lava from floor to ceiling.
11:55 <CharlieBr0wn> Any lev
19:16 <ab5ni> I mean cleaver
19:16 <ab5ni> ok..well, if u have pets, be careful lol
19:17 <jonadab> YASI: all artifact weapons are two-handed by virtue of being artifacts, even if their base type is one-handed.
19:17 <ab5ni> I would get Cleaver, get some pets, try and poly them below minetown while u go for the luckstone
20:36 <orz_> yeah but just not so much
20:37 <mdlp> ok
20:37 <mdlp> what about cursed full healing?
20:37 <mdlp> i was scared that a cursed full healing would kill you or bring you down to 1 hp
20:37 <mdlp> that would be evil
20:38 <Rodney> ninnyhag (Val Hum Fem Law), 1863 points, T:2032, killed by a fire ant
2017 Mar 17 Fri:
06:17 <CharlieBr0wn> Same, when I don't have a pet (a.k.a. pit on turn 2) I use dubious diagonal wand beams instead
06:17 <CharlieBr0wn> Minetown is also nice for its altar
06:17 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: if any of your attributes have been drained, monsters you kill that would ordinarily drop body parts (scales, teeth, horns, etc.) don't.
06:18 <jonadab> CharlieBr0wn: Also the general store.
2017 Apr 14 Fri:
21:55 <jonadab> Heh.
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21:57 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: a new type of monster called a "garo nymph". It looks like a dnethack garo, behaves like a nymph while alive, but does what a garo does when it dies.
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2017 May 01 Mon:
02:14 <ab5ni> Yeah.
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02:14 <ab5ni> YASI: have a very slight chance of getting a wish from dropping a coin in a fountain.
02:15 <ab5ni> jonadab will add it to the list if you put YASI in the line
02:16 <ab5ni> YASI: abuse/camping brings out a Water Demon, of course.
02:19 <ab5ni> woot. 6x7 book store
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2017 May 03 Wed:
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13:11 <Rodney> pugman (Kni Hum Mal Law), 41 points, T:181, killed by a water demon
13:11 <jonadab> EPI: when a gremlin tries to steal a resistance from you, it checks the immediate area to see if there are any monsters with attacks that you're resistant to, and tries to take those specific resistances if so.
13:12 <aaftm> really? :|
13:12 <Rodney> atav32 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 605 points, T:657, killed by a cave spider, while helpless
13:12 <ChrisS67> EPI = evil patch idea?
13:13 <aaftm> it's already evil enough how it is now
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13:13 <jonadab> aaftm: EPI means Evil Patch Idea, yes.
13:13 <jonadab> So no, the game isn't _actually_ like that. Thank goodness.
19:09 <Sabotender> will probably blank my scroll
19:09 <aosdict> water elementals don't do that.
19:09 <aosdict> though, obligatory Evil Patch Idea for jonadab.
19:09 <Sabotender> there is nothing here that will blank my scrolls?
2017 May 18 Thu:
10:02 <Rodney> HTTPS (Arc Hum Mal Law), 471 points, T:1392, killed by a brown mold
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10:11 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: some monsters that would otherwise be the same color are distinguished by each other by whether they blink or not.
10:11 <jonadab> EPI: also, statues are the same glyph as water except fountains blink.
10:13 <jonadab> Naturally, the exact speed at which a blinking glyph blinks would depend on a hash of the monster ID (for monsters), object ID (for objects), or the x and y coords (for terrain), so if there's more than one on the screen, they'll be blinking at different rates.
10:13 <Andrio> Is that possible?
2017 Jun 03 Sat:
11:20 <pythondude> no, i use mjollnir, lightning strikes everytime i attack
11:20 <raisse\splat> ah right
11:21 <raisse\splat> but if you kick the *air* they'll all wake up
11:21 <pythondude> mjollnir should make loud sound to wake up monsters
11:21 <raisse\splat> jonadab: EPI ^^
11:21 <pythondude> oh, i can wake them all up like that?
2017 Jun 04 Sun:
22:22 <BlastEndedSqrt> no
22:22 <BlastEndedSqrt> but YANI
22:23 <BlastEndedSqrt> Evil patch idea: if your next 200 actions after seing the graffiti are nothing but '.', so no engraving or even fighting, you get a wand of wishing but it's cancelled
22:23 <ikeadelic> heh
2017 Jun 10 Sat:
21:03 <aosdict\lettuce> Well, it didn't get that way on its own.
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21:05 <aosdict\lettuce> Evil Patch Idea for jonadab: the invisibility monster spell can be cast on allies by low-level enemies (orc and kobold shaman)
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2017 Jun 15 Thu:
09:22 -!- ikcerog [~ikcerog@12.165.188.169] has joined #NetHack
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09:27 <APic\splat> So Fighting on Elberth in nhdev is evil
09:27 <APic\splat> But Fighting on a ?oScareMonster is okay, is not it?
2017 Jun 19 Mon:
18:54 <BlastEndedSqrt_> can you check the other altar?
18:54 <BlastEndedSqrt_> since you've been near it
18:55 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: if a priest on astral gains XP and becomes a high priest, he can convert one of the altars to his alignment.
18:55 <jonadab> But only if that's different from the player's alignment.
2017 Jun 23 Fri:
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10:00 <Rodney> cbf (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 270 points, T:332, killed by a falling rock
10:00 <aosdict\lettuce> Evil Patch Idea: If you have a visible source of magic resistance, Orcus will not bother zapping his wand of death at you and will attack regularly instead.
10:00 <aosdict\lettuce> though I suppose it's not that evil since you get the unspent wand of death after killing him
2017 Jun 28 Wed:
12:25 <raisse\splat> it works a treat for Death who can't be killed by death rays
12:26 <Rodney> Ghsh (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11434 points, T:6678, killed by a mumak
12:27 <aosdict\lettuce> ChrisE: evil patch idea: make farlooking and calling the riders impossible the same way as high priests are
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12:50 <Wooble> in unpatched 3.4.3 you can abuse a bug to ID them all from the start of the level.
12:50 <Setneicum> Well, I THINK the high priest of Mannac was on the left, but now I don't know
12:51 <aosdict\lettuce> evil patch idea: enemy high priests will become hostile when you enter their temple and have an amulet-stealing attack
12:51 <Wooble> Setneicum: you never entered the temple, I doubt you saw their identity
12:52 <aosdict\lettuce> other evil patch idea: *all* high priests do this, including your own, because he wants immortality too
12:52 <Setneicum> Yeah, probably...
12:57 <Wooble> (even if you were a dragon)
12:58 <Rodney> justasatellite (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 534 points, T:1321, killed by a grid bug
12:58 <Wooble> Evil patch idea: dragonbane vaporizes DSM
12:58 <aosdict\lettuce> ouch
13:22 <ais523> they're very similar flavourwise
13:22 <FIQ> more if close to lava, less if away from it
13:22 <aosdict\lettuce> evil patch idea: current and maxhp decrease by 1 every turn on the plane of fire unless fire resistant
13:22 <FIQ> even if fire resistant (unless you "like fire")
13:22 <ais523> FIQ: so that the archonstorm clock was active even without archons visible, and more deterministic?
2017 Jun 30 Fri:
13:24 <jonadab> Did it take your wand of digging and start zapping holes in the floors?
13:26 <Camwin> Oh look a yellow light. IF ONLY I HAD MY TOWEL
13:26 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: every time a nymph successfully steals an item, its speed increases by 50%. So if it starts at speed 12 and steals once, it's now speed 18, and if it steals again, it'll now be speed 27...
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13:55 <Rodney> needler (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 202 points, T:720, killed by a coyote
13:56 <ais523> Wooble: I think it contains all known Sokoban levels from all other variants, including the Evil Variant
13:56 <Wooble> ugh. luckstone it is! :)
2017 Jul 01 Sat:
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10:04 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: reflectoban now has a bag of holding behind one door, and an amulet of strangulation behind another.
10:04 <jonadab> Both cursed.
10:10 <Camwin> SOKOBAN 2a GOD DAMMIT
10:11 <Setneicum> Ohh, a figurine of a grid bug, this is totally worth some holy water!
10:12 <jonadab> LichenSink: Heh, EPI: bagoban now has a bag of tricks :-)
10:13 <jonadab> Camwin: Have you seen the Evil Variant sokoban levels?
10:13 <Camwin> Nope
10:14 <jonadab> http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/spoilers-fourk/sokoban/nonfourk-levels.html#evilvariant
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2017 Jul 02 Sun:
14:11 <Camwin> Every item is a mimic, ever. All of them.
14:11 <Camwin> Even the amulet.
14:12 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: in Un and its variants, when you drop the amulet and it teleports randomly on the level, a mimic imitating the Amulet is also created somewhere on the level.
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2017 Jul 08 Sat:
14:03 <Rodney> needler (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 98 points, T:189, killed by a goblin
14:03 <Dracunos> FR: bag of holding can be used to capture enemies
14:03 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: sometimes the Sokoban prize is a stack of diamonds.
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2017 Jul 21 Fri:
14:55 <bezaban> ah right
14:55 <bezaban> for some reason I was thinking around the sides, I always go through the back
14:55 <aosdict> EPI: if you can't see where you're landing but can still make a jump of that distance (if the terrain were flat and lit), you move as far along the path as possible and stop if you bump into an obstacle.
14:56 <bezaban> :D
14:56 <aosdict> If that means you fall into deep water, oh well.
14:56 <bezaban> plop
14:56 <aosdict> EPI: Ludios's secret door is replaced with a double drawbridge.
14:57 <Wooble> that would make the candelabrum a lot less useful on astral :)
14:57 <xyzyxx> What is EPI
14:57 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea
14:58 <aosdict> EPI?
14:58 <Wooble> which reminds me, have to spam Invisibility a bjillion more times so I can get expert escape with my current wiz.
14:58 <aosdict> no Rodney trigger? :(
14:59 <bezaban> rodney?
14:59 <Rodney> bezaban?
15:01 <xyzyxx> ?? EPI
15:01 <bouquet> xyzyxx: I usually read a scroll of earch and push a boulder into the water diagonal from the door. That way I can open the door but monsters are stuck at the doorway (can't move diagonal in doorways.)
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15:04 <xyzyxx> !learn
15:04 <aosdict> !learn add EPI Evil Patch Idea
15:04 <Rodney> Term epi[1] successfully added.
15:05 <xyzyxx> aww
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15:05 <aosdict> ?> EPI
15:05 <Rodney> epi[1/1]: Evil Patch Idea
15:06 <Rodney> jethack (Kni Hum Mal Law), 956 points, T:2877, killed by a gnome lord
15:07 <aosdict> !learn add evil_patch A theoretical variant or patch which combines all the Evil Patch Ideas.
15:07 <Rodney> Term evil_patch[1] successfully added.
15:09 <Wooble> [see also SLEX]
15:15 <Rodney> Go Team %!
15:18 <bouquet> xyzyxx: ya, that keeps them pinned to the doorway so you can step back if you need to heal or whatever and be out of their line of fire.
15:18 <aosdict> !learn add epi Usually not something that makes the game unwinnable, but makes it much more annoying.
15:18 <Rodney> Term epi[2] successfully added.
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15:21 <Rodney> lizzytish (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 448 points, T:1602, killed by a bolt of fire
16:12 <Rodney> blueseph (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 892 points, T:2059, killed by a gnome
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16:12 <LarienTelrunya> ?> EPI
16:12 <Rodney> epi[1/2]: Evil Patch Idea
16:12 <Rodney> epi[2/2]: Usually not something that makes the game unwinnable, but makes it much more annoying.
16:12 <LarienTelrunya> ?> SLEX
16:12 <Rodney> No results found for SLEX.
16:17 <Muad> aosdict, nice
16:17 <Wooble> getting the castle wand in my current game was kind of anticlimactic after finding a WoW sitting right next to a blessed magic lamp earlier in the game. :)
16:18 <LarienTelrunya> !learn add evil_patch SLEX adds a lot of evil patch ideas on purpose to make the game harder in unfair ways.
16:18 <Rodney> Term evil_patch[3] successfully added.
16:19 <aosdict> not sure that belongs under evil_patch
16:19 <LarienTelrunya> !learn add EPI Evil Patch ideas were originally not meant to be implemented, their purpose was to serve as a graveyard for bad ideas. Little did anyone expect SLEX would come along and deliberately try to implement as many of them as possible.
16:19 <Rodney> Term epi[3] successfully added.
16:19 <ais523> why do people call it the Evil Patch?
16:20 <ais523> its original, official name was the Evil Variant
16:20 <LarienTelrunya> ais523!!! do you have any sample output maps of diagonaloban? I'd love to see them :)
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2017 Jul 24 Mon:
10:39 <stennowork> my bad, my bad
10:39 <Rodney> rvaughn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1173 points, T:3022, killed by a wererat
10:39 <Wooble> evil patch idea: rothes can use a wand of death
10:39 <stennowork> manes are slow demons, yeah
14:39 <bouquet> Wooble: the variant Moria had "scroll of recall" which allowed you to escape the dungeon to the perpetual town above. It was like having a portal to minetown whenever you needed to buy more arrows or rations.
14:39 <Rodney> uweboll (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1191 points, T:2182, killed by an arrow
14:40 <Wooble> EPI: amulet of disintegration, that does make you disappear.
14:41 <Wooble> and all of your stuff, except for the amulet, which can be left as the only item in bones.
2017 Jul 25 Tue:
12:35 <Rodney> Dclearer (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 678 points, T:273, killed by a giant rat
12:35 <Rodney> daydreamer (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 239 points, T:341, killed by a fox
12:36 <aosdict> YASI: a race that doesn't have teeth, so can't eat anything. Basically enforced foodless unless you polymorph into something that can eat.
12:38 <Rodney> Dclearer (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 471 points, T:224, killed by a pony
2017 Jul 28 Fri:
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15:54 <Rodney> comptril (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 755 points, T:1061, killed by a kitten
15:56 <Istfemer> EvilPatchIdea: Add californium wands. 3 such wands together would net you critical mass.
15:56 <Istfemer> (again, from memory: approx 1.95 kg for the most stable isotope)
16:02 <ChrisS67> sea monsters on land do lose HP over time
16:02 <ChrisS67> so the concept does at least exist in the game
16:03 <aosdict> evil patch idea: ring of reverse regeneration
16:03 <Rodney> WeerdBeard (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 15246 points, T:9578, killed by a wraith, while dressing up
2017 Aug 01 Tue:
21:01 <bouquet> I guess that's to prevent serial upgrading of healing potions to full healing
21:02 <rdplatypus> bouquet: But I've done that. Isn't that code checking for what happens if you dip that potion *in water*?
21:02 <aosdict> yasi: potion of un-dilution
21:02 <bouquet> well, the wiki says "Your stack may turn into potions of water. (1/8 chance, but 1/1 chance if dipping a diluted potion into another potion)"
2017 Aug 02 Wed:
15:31 <aosdict> also, trap doors and holes
15:31 <aosdict> yani: trap that shoves you one level higher like a cursed potion of gain level
15:32 <aosdict> epi: these traps are only generated on dungeon level 1, where they toss you out of the dungeon
15:32 <Rodney> orionskular (Val Dwa Fem Law), 583 points, T:937, killed by a pony
2017 Aug 03 Thu:
10:16 <ChrisE> My endless stream of snakes seems to be of length 2.
10:16 <Wooble> that's pretty endless.
10:17 <Wooble> evil patch idea: actually endless stream of snakes
10:17 <Rodney> breume (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 156 points, T:530, killed by a jackal
10:19 <oh6> whoops
10:19 <Wooble> eek, a mimic!
10:19 <Rodney> ubiquity (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 115 points, T:620, killed by a fox
10:20 <Wooble> dammit, now I want to play slither.io
10:20 <ChrisE> Wooble: I'm not sure whether that would be evil or just an opportunity for farming.
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10:21 <Rodney> iamlost (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 102 points, T:81, killed by a fox
10:22 <Rodney> Tetsuo277 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 118 points, T:689, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse
10:23 <aosdict> EPI: cancelled foocubi don't have "severe headaches". They'll still seduce you, but you'll only get negative results.
10:26 <ChrisE> Hmm...... does prayer for unholy water work in Gehennom?
11:02 <aosdict> YANI: when killed by anything that brings you back as something else, you survive in that form with permanent intrinsic unchanging
11:03 <aosdict> Good luck winning the game while morphed into a green slime or gnome mummy, but you have a chance.
11:05 <aosdict> Corollary EPI: when you polymorph into something that you can "survive" as after death, this happens.
11:07 <orionskular> Crystal plate mail on Dlvl1
2017 Aug 04 Fri:
14:15 <Rodney> suavehippo (Kni Hum Mal Law), 967 points, T:2197, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping
14:15 <Wooble> YANI: don't die if showrace is turned on, but if you turn it off afterwards you also die.
14:17 <aosdict> that's an EPI. :)
14:17 <ChrisE> Hmm, I don't know about that... it leads to *less* player death.
16:06 <orionskular> I managed to summon a water nymph and a water demon before I got excalibur
16:07 <jonadab> Hey, getting all the way through those pipes from the lake to the fountain takes time.
16:07 <Rodney> deadnoob (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 425 points, T:1065, killed by a sewer rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze
16:07 <xyzyxx> "From the murky depths, a hand reaches up and pretends to be friendly to you."
16:07 <jonadab> Heh. That would be evil.
16:07 <Rodney> MistarFire (Val Dwa Fem Law), 474 points, T:2070, killed by a giant mimic
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16:43 <aosdict> jonadab: [reading backscroll] EPI: the Lady of the Lake should really be found in a lake, not a fountain. In order to get Excalibur, you have to find a randomly generated pool and dip the sword in it. This requires water walking boots, of course.
16:43 <Rodney> deadnoob (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4206 points, T:2668, killed by a leocrotta
2017 Aug 05 Sat:
10:36 <Andrio> Die? (yn)[n]
10:37 <zid> You("die");
10:37 <aosdict> EPI: change that explore/wizard mode prompt to (yn) [y]
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16:50 <rdplatypus> Cloak of Displacement should be MC2 btw
16:54 <Rodney> sshropsh (Val Hum Fem Law), 2101 points, T:2791, killed by an imp
16:56 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: demon lords can steal the Amulet from you, and when they have it, they'll warp to the downstairs to heal instead of the upstairs. If they get too damaged, they'll flee downstairs.
16:56 <Rodney> KingOtar (Val Dwa Fem Law), 787 points, T:1315, killed by an imp
2017 Aug 08 Tue:
21:08 <jeremiahL> thanks
21:08 <jeremiahL> maybe a wizard now, never ascended a wizard
21:09 <aosdict> EPI: following the flavor that you pass out of the mortal plane when you climb up the stairs from DL1 with the Amulet, lifesaving does not work in the End Game. At all.
21:10 <Istfemer> aosdict: Not even for hostile monsters?
2017 Aug 10 Thu:
14:29 <ChrisS67> yes they do
14:30 <Rodney> Cropper (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 2260 points, T:4295, killed by a blue dragon
14:31 <Wooble> evil patch idea: they don't.
14:31 <Rodney> Blimpers (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 230 points, T:465, killed by a small mimic
2017 Aug 11 Fri:
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13:47 <Rodney> JoWGunn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 980 points, T:1311, killed by an arrow
13:47 <aosdict> Wooble: EPI: keep all the gehennom mazes, but instead of walls, use lava, and if you try to levitate over the lava, air currents pull you down into it like in Sokoban
13:47 <aosdict> there. both more obnoxious and more hell-like
2017 Aug 13 Sun:
11:53 <winny> but i ws dumb and lost a lot of loot from putting a cancellation wand into my first BoH
11:53 <ChaseSP> why have one when you can have two!
11:53 <aosdict> EPI: using a potion of acid only corrodes the bars. In order to get rid of them, you need four potions of acid to go through corroded, very corroded, mostly corroded, and finally dissolution
11:53 <ChaseSP> yeah don't put wands that do nothing from engraving into a bag
2017 Aug 14 Mon:
11:28 <aosdict> but I don't see any flavor reason for him not to steal yours
11:28 <aosdict> what's the justification?
11:28 <Wooble> EPI: rodney covets DSM and all sources of MR
11:28 <Rodney> comptril (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 725 points, T:1677, killed by a gnome
2017 Aug 16 Wed:
11:03 <Homage_> or is that just regardless of resistances?
11:04 <ais523> Sindarin: eye mimics? scary
11:04 <ais523> I think the Evil Variant has, in one of its few changes that's actually implemented, a floating eye mimic
11:05 <Homage_> wait, so the mimic is a floating eye that mimics items?
2017 Aug 17 Thu:
10:26 <Homage_> Cavemen have a much easier time now that you can multishoot spears
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10:26 <xyzyxx> Wooble: It's a feature that belongs in the Evil Patch
10:26 <Homage_> and they get a +1 role bonus for throwing spears
13:21 <jonadab> I think containers _can_ generate greased in 3.6, it's just really low odds?
13:21 <jonadab> Not absolutely certain, I could be thinking of something other than containers.
13:22 <aosdict> EPI: every container has a 1% chance to have 10,000 nested sacks in it, with the last sack having a 50% chance of containing a wand of wishing.
13:22 <jonadab> But yeah, nested greased containers sounds like something outside the ordinary.
2017 Aug 18 Fri:
10:50 <Pinkbeast> Simply save every 799 turns after turn 601 and it will be entirely consistent. :-/
10:50 <Chase_Droid> Heh
10:51 <aosdict> YASI: eating a bag of holding lets you store items in your stomach
10:51 <aosdict> Chase_Droid: why would anyone ever eat an amulet of reflection?
2017 Aug 30 Wed:
13:23 <Rodney> h2g2 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 3259 points, T:2672, killed by a white unicorn
13:23 <aosdict> the guards are psychically linked to the fountains. They ALWAYS know.
13:24 <jonadab> EPI: Minetown Watch always notice if you lock or unlock anything, or dig.
13:24 <Rodney> uberericthered (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1358 points, T:2690, killed by a rock mole
2017 Sep 01 Fri:
00:28 <Rodney> jrmann100 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 310 points, T:1311, killed by a bat
00:31 <Rodney> uberericthered (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 736 points, T:2814, killed by a dwarf
00:36 <jonadab> YASI: if your terminal is big enough, each time the game calculates a dice roll, you get to watch an ASCII-art animation sequence of the dice being rolled. So if you hit a large monster with a long sword, you get to watch a twelve-sided die being rolled. If you hit a large monster with a battle axe, you get to watch one six-sided and two four-sided dice being rolled. Etc.
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2017 Sep 07 Thu:
09:48 <jonadab> So not actually relevant in vanilla.
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09:49 <jonadab> EPI that actually makes perverse sense: when dieties smite with lightning, it's chain lightning, so if it hits a monster, and there's another monster nearby, it'll jump to that monster, then if there's still a monster nearby (possibly the first one again) it'll jump again, etc., for up to 3d4 jumps.
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09:56 <jonadab> Why doesn't divine anger double the effective difficulty level for monster-spawn purposes?
09:57 <jonadab> Or multiply it by the amount of anger? <-- EPI
09:57 <Rodney> Salsar (Kni Hum Mal Law), 159 points, T:558, killed by a goblin
2017 Sep 08 Fri:
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18:07 <Rodney> Mightyflea (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 292 points, T:1201, killed by a sewer rat, while unconscious from rotten food
18:07 <aosdict> !learn add evil_patch_idea see { epi }
18:07 <Rodney> Term evil_patch_idea[1] successfully added.
18:07 <Rodney> JumpLust (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 358 points, T:829, killed by a coyote
18:07 <Rodney> pugman (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1306 points, T:1725, killed by a gnome
18:08 <aosdict> ChrisE: I don't know of a way to transfer epi to evil patch idea
18:08 <aosdict> maybe swap?
18:08 <ChrisE> Maybe less laziness?
18:08 <aosdict> !learn swap epi[1] evil_patch_idea[1]
18:08 <Rodney> Swapped definitions: epi[1] <-> evil_patch_idea[1]
18:09 <ChrisE> ?> epi
18:09 <Rodney> That entry is a little too long. See https://alt.org/nethack/Rodney/rodney-learn.php?s=epi
18:09 <ChrisE> ?> evil_patch_idea
18:09 <Rodney> evil_patch_idea[1/1]: Evil Patch Idea
18:09 <ChrisE> Looks like it only swapped a pair of entries.
18:09 <aosdict> yeah should delete that
18:09 <aosdict> since it's self explanatory
18:10 <ChrisE> ?? epi
18:10 <aosdict> !learn edit evil_patch_idea s/.*/An evil idea for a patch./
18:10 <Rodney> Term number required.
18:10 <aosdict> !learn edit evil_patch_idea[1] s/.*/An evil idea for a patch./
18:10 <Rodney> evil_patch_idea[1]: An evil idea for a patch.
18:11 <aosdict> !learn swap epi[2] evil_patch_idea[2]
18:11 <Rodney> I don't see evil_patch_idea[2]. Perhaps you mean you_hear_blades_being_honed[1]?
18:11 <aosdict> !learn swap epi[2] evil_patch_idea
18:11 <Rodney> Swapped definitions: epi[2] <-> evil_patch_idea[1]
18:11 <aosdict> no
18:12 <aosdict> !learn swap epi[2] evil_patch_idea
18:12 <Rodney> Swapped definitions: epi[2] <-> evil_patch_idea[1]
18:12 <ChrisE> !learn add evil_patch_idea stub 2
18:12 <Rodney> Term evil_patch_idea[2] successfully added.
18:12 <Rodney> Term evil_patch_idea[3] successfully added.
18:12 <Rodney> JumpLust (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 156 points, T:642, killed by a dwarf
18:12 <ChrisE> !learn swap epi[2] evil_patch_idea[2]
18:12 <Rodney> Swapped definitions: epi[2] <-> evil_patch_idea[2]
18:12 <ChrisE> !learn swap epi[3] evil_patch_idea[3]
18:12 <Rodney> Swapped definitions: epi[3] <-> evil_patch_idea[3]
18:13 <Guest37296> D:
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18:13 <aosdict> !learn del epi[3]
18:13 <Rodney> Removed epi[3]: stub 3
18:13 <aosdict> !learn del epi[2]
18:13 <Rodney> Removed epi[2]: stub 2
18:14 <aosdict> !learn edit epi[1] s/.*/see { evil_patch_idea }/
18:14 <Rodney> epi[1]: see { evil_patch_idea }
18:14 <aosdict> ?> epi
18:14 <Rodney> 20 results for epi: aggravate_monster ascension brainlessness caitiff epic_flail followers free_action hallucinated_monsters kraken leash leocrotta nutrition potion potion_of_monster_detection protection_racket quaff_test seems_not_to_notice_you stealth thrown_potions while_helpless
18:15 <Neko-chan> ChrisE: yeah, my source of mr is the magic mirror, so it sounds like I'm just walking back up
18:15 <ChrisE> You could put it in a bag.
2017 Sep 10 Sun:
14:18 <jonadab> aosdict: Yeah, but each tile's holiness times out after 50k turns, so you have to be quick about it.
14:18 <APic> As long as the Mitre of Holyness is not the Orb of Weight, too…
14:19 <jonadab> YASI: artifact crystal plate mail that grants half damage when worn.
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14:31 <FIQ> YASI: if you smash enough holy water in a floor in Gehennom, it turns it into a non-Gehennom floor for the purpose of the MF and prayers
14:34 <Rodney> nprosser (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 93 points, T:281, killed by a jackal
2017 Sep 11 Mon:
15:31 <Rodney> tater (Pri Hum Mal Law), 872 points, T:1201, killed by a gnome king
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15:33 <jonadab> ais523: Doesn't the Evil Variant have a monster that makes you put on boots or gauntlets of fumbling if you happen to be carrying them?
15:33 <Rodney> merpish (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 334 points, T:234, killed by a sewer rat
15:33 <jonadab> (Not that you're going to TAS the evil variant...)
15:33 <ais523> jonadab: not my version of it
15:34 <ais523> people often confuse suggestions for the actual thing, though
15:34 <Rodney> pugman (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 332 points, T:1604, killed by a hobgoblin, while reading a book
15:34 <ais523> and grunthack and slex have both thoroughly outcompeted the evil variant at this point
15:34 <ais523> (the evil variant originally started out as a parody of the sort of game that slex ended up earnestly becoming…)
15:35 <jonadab> Grunt is somewhat better these days, with the spit crash bug fixed and beholder difficulty increased so they don't start generating in the early game.
15:35 <ais523> haha, I didn't even know that one
15:35 <aosdict> ais523: then the wiki is wrong about the evil variant? when I wrote the page I was thinking it as the union of all EPIs
15:36 <jonadab> aosdict: I started collecting Evil Patch Ideas without knowing about the Evil Variant. You can think of them as two distinct things in a similar spirit.
15:36 <aosdict> which of course is a theoretical variant that does not exist
15:36 <ais523> aosdict: I'm not sure, this is something that's outgrown its roots
15:36 <jonadab> The Evil Variant is largely theoretical as well, since it has never been made public.
15:37 <ais523> the Evil Variant does exist as a codebase somewhere, although I'm not sure how easy it would be to find
15:37 <ais523> it's only barely started
15:38 <ais523> out of the changes I can remember, there's a level which is a maze of diggable walls inside undiggable walls (with no useful visual feedback for what connects where), a minotaur trap (not an actual ^, it's just that you step off the stairs and get surrounded by minotaurs), drawbridges that attack diagonally, and some Sokoban variants (which made it into slex) + cheating at Sokoban causes god wrath (which didn't, fortunately)
15:42 <Rodney> merpish (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1252 points, T:4466, killed by a bugbear
15:43 <ais523> when a drawbridge opens, gets destroyed, etc. it also affects the squares diagonal from the bridge (a knight's move from the portcullis) the same way
15:43 <aosdict> EPI: drawbridges can crush any square in a radius of 3, with a 50% chance, when destroyed.
15:43 <ais523> it makes zero sense, and rather nerfs the traditional form of drawbridge-mashing
2017 Sep 12 Tue:
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20:21 <ais523> oh6: the Evil Variant does but that's because it's arbitrarily trying to screw people over
20:21 <ais523> I haven't heard a serious variant doing that, so if one does, it's probably Slash'EM Extended or GruntHack
2017 Sep 16 Sat:
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16:26 <Rodney> mosen (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 524 points, T:2356, killed by a bugbear
16:26 <aos> YANI (or maybe EPI): Eating a chameleon corpse has a chance of conveying intrinsic polymorphitis, in addition to polymorphing you right now.
16:28 <Rodney> Nucleid (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4020 points, T:4362, killed by a black unicorn
2017 Sep 23 Sat:
20:00 <Rodney> jonadab's goat walks by and kicks Elronnd.
20:01 <Rodney> Prowler (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 932 points, T:1891, killed by a jackal
20:04 <aosdict> YASI: occasionally generate 2x2 squares of rock containing a few gold pieces per square, to trick people into wasting time and digging charges getting to it.
20:09 <jonadab> Heh.
2017 Sep 26 Tue:
20:30 <ais523> both NetHack and Dark Souls become much easier once you know what you're doing
20:30 <aosdict> so DYWYPI is somehow worse than YOU DIED?
20:30 <aosdict> EPI: the game maliciously taunts you every time something bad happens
20:30 <ais523> aosdict: YOU DIED isn't a total reset
2017 Sep 27 Wed:
10:03 <coffeebug> then again, infinite light is so good
10:03 <raisse> but reflection will keep you alive more
10:04 <aosdict> jonadab: YASI: in addition to colorblindness, implement "legal blindness". You can only see the spaces adjacent to you, from the whole game.
10:04 <jonadab> aosdict: Oh, ouch.
10:05 <jonadab> coffeebug: Until chameleons start immitating things that have touch of death.
10:05 <Rodney> mario96 (Val Hum Fem Law), 38284 points, T:11046, killed by a bolt of fire
10:05 <Mandevil> jonadab: Just eat some yellow mold :)
10:05 <Wooble> intrinsic astral vision, but instead of seeing through walls every level is displayed as the astral plane and you have no idea what's really there.
10:06 <jonadab> EPI: a trap that does that ^ to you.
10:06 <coffeebug> jonadab: yeah, well, I don't have either reflection or MR at the moment, and I feel more protected with reflection
10:09 <raisse> true
10:09 <jonadab> True.
10:10 <jonadab> EPI: NetHack needs radiation, like in ZAPM.
10:11 <coffeebug> ah well. I'll just get reflection. That way if I find Ludios I'll feel safe for it (I'd never do it with only MR)
2017 Oct 07 Sat:
11:54 <raisse> isn't that already the case?
11:56 <aosdict> in Minetown only, it's a 100% override for the first delicatessen there, if any.
11:56 <jonadab> EPI: whenever a deli would be generated, if you have kept vegetarian conduct so far, replace it with an armor shop, unless you've also kept weaponless, in which case a weapons shop.
11:57 <jonadab> Unless you've also kept _pacifist_, in which case a zoo.
15:47 <jonadab> zxx: Any useful inventory items?
15:47 <ilbelkyr> that said, that Rodney entry is written with enough humor that it made it easier to remember back when I had that sort of info always in mind
15:47 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: make high-level L follow you to other levels.
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18:51 <Rodney> xPaikix (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8 points, T:27, killed by a death ray
18:52 <aosdict> YANI: scale the secret door and corridor probability based on depth, so the first few levels are almost guaranteed not to have any ones blocking the way.
18:52 <aosdict> EPI: randomly insert secret doors into mazes.
18:53 <stenno> imagine playing your first game of nethack and you start in a room without doors
2017 Oct 08 Sun:
19:04 <jonadab> ais523: Ah, and termcast doesn't do audio.
19:04 <ais523> I've attempted to use mumble in the past but it didn't go well: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mumble/+bug/1268419
19:04 <jonadab> YASI: create a set of terminal escape codes for audio and get support for them into at least one major terminal, so that termcast _can_ be used for that.
19:04 <jonadab> I don't know much about mumble.
2017 Oct 11 Wed:
20:31 <ais523> #tip probably fixes this in 3.6
20:31 <thelemur> you mean, they generate with something worth storing in an icebox? : )
20:32 <aosdict> YASI: food left long enough in an icebox eventually gets freezer-burned
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2017 Oct 12 Thu:
07:41 <Rodney> ninereeds (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 7273 points, T:3380, quit
07:43 <Rodney> Atomicjoy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1477 points, T:2514, killed by a dagger
07:43 <aosdict> YASI: magic markers that write with invisible ink. A scroll written with invisible ink appears to be blank but if you can see invisible you can read it.
07:44 <Andrio> People would probably just name the scroll whatever they tried to write on it.
18:52 <notzmv> Muad: neutral, wished for sdsm
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18:54 <aosdict> YASI: pokedex-like feature that can only give full information about an enemy when you "capture" (tin) it.
18:54 <Muad> notzmv, all right, good luck.
2017 Oct 13 Fri:
11:20 <greeter> it was a soldier too. why didn't they just kick the door down if they wanted on the other side?
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11:22 <jonadab> EPI: soldiers will kick down doors to get to you.
11:22 <greeter> EPI?
11:22 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea
11:22 <greeter> oh lol. i thought they did actually
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11:25 <Rodney> emandem (Val Dwa Fem Law), 308 points, T:1066, killed by a small mimic
11:25 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: difficulty level of generated monsters is increased, and frequency of generation doubled, on Mondays.
11:26 <greeter> lol saturday would be a more suitable day for that for me, that's when i start my rotation at work
11:34 <Rodney> goast (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1191 points, T:2253, killed by a small mimic
11:34 <greeter> there's no chance of slipping off the ice and falling into the moat is there?
11:34 <jonadab> Ice doesn't do THAT to you in NetHack, oddly. <-- Evil Patch Idea: maybe it should.
11:35 <greeter> "You wrest one last charge from the worn-out wand. The water freezes. The wand of cold turns to dust." oops...
2017 Oct 20 Fri:
14:52 <rorre> never done that one
14:52 <rorre> i always play cheater wizard
14:52 <ChrisS67> rorre- only if your name is "Legolas"?
14:52 <Rodney> SecretAccount (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 186 points, T:928, killed by a jackal, while disrobing
14:52 <aosdict> anyway, YASI: ^
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22:36 <aosdict> evil as it is
22:36 <phill_> haha evil? im assuming its even harder?
22:36 <aosdict> Grunthack is one of the two contenders for the title of Actually-Existing Evil Variant.
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2017 Oct 21 Sat:
14:22 <ChrisE> Sometimes it won't come on, but you can just try again.
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14:22 <aosdict> EPI: cursed magic lamps may explode, dealing damage and releasing a hostile djinn.
14:23 <jonadab> EPI: cursed oil lamps also may explode when you try to light them, doing fire damage to you and your inventory.
14:23 <Yesod> ok.. I act accordingly.
14:24 <aosdict> to be clear... this is not actual behavior, it is proposed evil behavior
14:24 <jonadab> Right, Evil Patch Ideas (EPI) are not how the game actually works; and there was much rejoicing.
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2017 Oct 26 Thu:
07:52 <raisse> Vampires have risen from the dead, the grave and the crypt, but have never managed it from the cat.
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07:56 <geoffspear> EPI: eaten troll revives inside whatever ate it; It explodes.
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10:06 <geoffspear> YANI: sometimes when you dig on a sink you get a pipe instead of a fountain and you can go down it and play a side-scrolling mario thing.
10:07 <jonadab> EPI: sometimes when you dig on a sink you get a pipe, and a piranha plant pops out of it and eats you, which, like everything Mario-related, is an instadeath.
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2017 Oct 27 Fri:
04:00 <Yeti218> I will try to remedy it
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04:01 <FIQ> EPI: if you are an orc, dwarf or gnome, elves can use Elbereth against you
04:01 <ChrisS67> also note that E smudges much more easily now
11:42 <raisse> well, it *was* a crazy ultrafast monster you hadn't seen before
11:43 <raisse> it's possible (but not easy) to kill him, which genocides all mail daemons
11:43 <aosdict> EPI: add the SkiFree yeti to the game. Like the mail daemon, it moves multiple spaces per turn and once it reaches you, it gobbles you up and instakills you.
11:43 <oh6> so apparently undead turning doesn't work on electric eels
2017 Oct 30 Mon:
16:34 <amateur_hour> ayyy
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16:34 <aosdict> EPI: all food renders as candy bars on halloween, but is still the same food item. You can't tell what any comestible actually is.
16:35 <Webmant__> ah
16:35 <aosdict> EPI: the game also silently rearranges the letters of comestibles in your inventory.
16:35 <Webmant__> nice one
16:35 <Webmant__> "can of candy corn"
16:35 <Webmant__> i need that
16:35 <aosdict> EPI = Evil Patch Idea
16:35 <FIQ> hmm
16:35 <FIQ> nethack should allocate fruitnames for things like halloween, etc
16:36 <Webmant__> eat hearts on valentines?
2017 Oct 31 Tue:
17:25 <HTTPS> Liches aren't so bad
17:25 <statuesurfer> life-saving won't even save you
17:25 <aoslich> Evil Patch Idea: h, humanoids, is a superclass of all @, o, and G. Genociding h will always genocide your own race.
17:25 <HTTPS> It's the master and arch ones that kinda suck
17:39 <statuesurfer> amateur_hour: you didn't have to grease grayswandir
17:39 <aoslich> silver should tarnish on its own over time >:)
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17:40 <statuesurfer> aoslich quit being evil
17:40 <aoslich> EPI: ^
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17:40 <Rodney> BootAmongShoes (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 131 points, T:405, killed by a water demon
17:41 <amateur_hour> oh right, thanks, I just greased it without knowing
17:41 <amateur_hour> aoslich: if you make that evil patch, you should allow towels to clean the silver objects :P
17:41 <statuesurfer> lol
17:41 <HTTPS> Stormbringer should roll d(your constitution) vs 8 and if you lose the target drains your max hp instead
17:42 <aoslich> I regard the Evil Patch as a variant that's practially impossible to actually make
17:42 <HTTPS> It is bloodthirsty after all
17:42 <HTTPS> seems legit
17:42 <aoslich> summonstorm anyone?
17:42 <HTTPS> Any time a monster casts summon nasties, it should also create a copy of itself
17:43 <statuesurfer> ^
17:43 <aoslich> EPI: ^
17:43 <statuesurfer> continuation of idea: titans are summoned by summon nasties
17:45 <statuesurfer> maybe even for aos
17:45 <aoslich> you should be asking jonadab that
17:45 <aoslich> *I'm* not the one whose website catalogs all the Evil Patch Ideas
17:46 <HTTPS> Remember, Demogorgon can cast summon nasties too, so he will only summon more copies of himself
19:23 <HTTPS> I'm pretty sure that was a troll
19:23 <Rodney> iamlost (Pri Hum Mal Law), 759 points, T:933, killed by a gnome lord
19:23 <paxed> EPI: load bones from rn2(10) dlevels deeper from the dungeon
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2017 Nov 01 Wed:
08:19 <Rodney> [nh361dev] opticdelusion reaches #1903 on the top 2000 list.
08:19 <Wooble> (it's not like naohack 3.4.3 didn't change a lot over the years)
08:19 <amateur_hour> perhaps the other way around, with some evil patches added :P
08:20 <paxed> Wooble: but mostly UI changes
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20:14 <jonadab> EPI: in the presence of an altar, groups of orcs and other chaotic intelligent monsters will fight each other in order to create corpses and sacrifice them, to convert the altar (if it isn't already chaotic) and maybe summon demons.
20:14 <jonadab> (This EPI is actually statuesurfer's fault, blame him.)
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20:15 <aosdict> paxed: also, "it doesn't make the game any harder for new players" was the philosophy behind Spork, and Spork hasn't really fared well recently.
2017 Nov 03 Fri:
00:56 <IceGuye> Sold a lot of junk for that. So expensive.
00:56 <ChrisS67> well worth it
00:57 <aosdict> EPI: shopkeepers will give wands of wishing the same x4 markup they give artifacts.
00:58 <IceGuye> And a hook is less than a magic lamp. lol
16:50 <amateur_hour> in 3.6.0 it depends on your Xlvl as to what ratio of hp
16:50 <jonadab> Teleport would also help.
16:51 <jonadab> aosdict: That's an evil patch idea.
16:51 <elevator> not sure if i can play safely, i just used a scroll of earth in sokoban and earlier i tried jumping
17:12 <elevator> okay i think i have 4 options with this owlbear: grayswandir, wand of lighting, cast healing, or pray
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17:12 <aosdict> EPI: rename the wand of light the "wand of lighting".
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2017 Nov 07 Tue:
12:09 <Wooble> ah.
12:10 <spitzwegerich> in 3.4.3
12:10 <aosdict> EPI: metallivore monsters can eat sinks.
12:10 <spitzwegerich> not in 3.6 any more :(
2017 Nov 08 Wed:
17:35 <Rodney> Avari3l2017 (Val Dwa Fem Law), crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge, 405082 points, HP:171, lvl:16 of Quest, max depth: 28, started on 20171102
17:36 <Rodney> siriuszwarts (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1005 points, T:1839, killed by a giant bat
17:37 <aosdict> jonadab: [backscroll] gnomes that level up to level 30 should get intrinsic phasing <-- YASI
17:37 <Rodney> nprosser (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 512 points, T:674, killed by a dwarf
2017 Nov 09 Thu:
14:53 <puck1> I just go to do him
14:53 <ChrisS67> if you have lots of them
14:54 <aosdict> EPI: the innermost Wizard's Tower has a lava moat instead of a water moat.
14:54 <ChrisS67> also by "empty" markers, you mean they are (1:0)?
2017 Nov 10 Fri:
12:52 <Cborne> i guess
12:52 <Cborne> i see multiple attacks i assume fast
12:52 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: leocrottas generate in large groups.
12:52 <Rodney> ubiquity (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10428 points, T:5122, killed by an ettin mummy, while frozen by a potion
2017 Nov 12 Sun:
18:45 <Cborne> yeah
18:45 <Cborne> i just hope that this run will be when i get a cool one
18:45 <aosdict> YANI (or maybe YASI): Monks start with potions/scrolls of enlightenment.
18:46 <Cborne> i thought the reason they don't is that when they do their quest they attain enlightenment
23:47 <Andrio> To kill you.
23:48 <aosdict> We can replace them with other priests of the gods whose high temples are actually there...
23:50 <Zaha> oh, I got an Evil Patch Idea as I was playing my tourist
23:51 <Zaha> if you enchant a cross-aligned artifact, the blast should get worse
2017 Nov 13 Mon:
11:24 <Deuce-Zen> nah, I have perfect count of my gold even when I'm carrying tens of thousands. because nethack heroes have amazing recall
11:24 <Cborne> nethack characters would be pretty good at guessing the amount of things in a jar i bet
11:24 <paxed> EPI: only approximate counts, hero can't know exact amounts without explicitly counting them out.
11:25 <Wooble> they've been training since birth to count things immediately! :P
11:27 <HTTPS> One gold piece plus one gold piece plus ...
11:28 <FIQ> "some gold"
11:28 <FIQ> EPI: in addition to having all items have Japanese names as a samurai, you also have to use Japanese during wishing
11:29 <Cborne> i could dig it
18:32 <Cborne> lol
18:33 <StatueSurfer> i did make to my quest level w/o finding a tinning kit tho
18:33 <aosdict> YASI: Trollsbane turns trolls into tins of troll meat, instakilling them.
18:33 <StatueSurfer> not this run but
19:02 <Rodney> mintypudding (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2456 points, T:3885, killed by a gnome lord
19:03 <Rodney> Ziggurat (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 1686 points, T:2972, killed by a rothe
19:04 <Cborne> YASI: Smelling monsters implemented in new version, but doing so just abuses wisdom
19:04 <Rodney> schuyler (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1181 points, T:4448, killed by a gray ooze, while frozen by a monster's gaze
2017 Nov 14 Tue:
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17:25 <jonadab> YASI: the game could mention any time a monster poops, which happens rnz(150) turns after they eat. Also, the _player_ stops to poop rnz(150) turns after eating, which gives you a YAFM and paralyzes you for 2 turns.
17:26 <Rodney> shmapty (Val Dwa Fem Law), 729 points, T:1251, killed by a kitten
17:26 <stenno> sounds like something that would already be a thing in slex
17:26 <jonadab> EPI: if you don't eat enough fruits and veggies, you get a different message, one that implies terrible constipation, and pooping paralizes you for rnz(10) turns, instead of 2 turns.
17:26 <jonadab> And yes, it sounds very slex.
17:35 <jonadab> Menche: Heh.
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17:36 <jonadab> YASI: and if a monkey throws poo at you, it does no damage, _unless_ you are a healer, nurse, or some other kind of monster known for caring about cleanliness.
17:37 <Rodney> ksw (Mon Hum Mal Law), 3799 points, T:5553, killed by a rock piercer
2017 Nov 15 Wed:
22:52 <Andrio> 'You finish eating the violet fungus corpse. Oh wow! Great stuff! You feel healthy.'
22:53 <Rodney> twrk (Sam Hum Fem Law), 455 points, T:1216, killed by a homunculus
22:55 <aosdict> YASI: health food stores should also sell hippie stuff like crystals (pieces of worthless glass) and hallucinogens (tins of violet fungus).
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2017 Nov 16 Thu:
12:10 <Wooble> YANI: if vorpal blade does snicker snack, and you have snickersnee, vorpy eats it.
12:10 <Cborne> the game i had problems with i found the hidden vault and about 4 rooms with 3 passageways
12:10 <aosdict> Wooble: if you want it to spawn an even stupider pun-based mechanic, make Snickersnee confer slow digestion.
12:10 <Wooble> (alternatively, snickersnee eats you)
12:10 <aosdict> YASI: ^
12:10 <Cborne> and none of the walls or passageways wanted to show the secret path
18:37 <Rodney> fweep (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1041 points, T:2763, killed by a giant ant
18:38 <Deuce-Zen> im not a fan of "step here and die unless X" tiles
18:38 <FIQ> YASI: invisible walls. Blocks vision, but only if you have see invisible
18:38 <stenno> is ~ actually part of ascii >_>"
18:38 <StatueSurfer> FIQ: that's just like
18:38 <StatueSurfer> terrible
18:38 <FIQ> StatueSurfer: Do you know what YASI stands for?
18:38 <Rodney> youshum555 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1588 points, T:2927, killed by a giant ant
2017 Nov 17 Fri:
15:45 <puck1> > Being blind, you cannot read the mystic runes
15:45 <puck1> :D
15:45 <FIQ> YASI: spellbook of cure blindness (and only this spell) can be read while blind
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15:45 <jonadab> permablind is a somewhat challenging option to play under. Have fun!
15:46 <puck1> YASI?
15:46 <puck1> Hey
15:46 <FIQ> it's not that hard after you find a floating eye corpse
15:46 <puck1> thx, lonadab
15:46 <FIQ> !learndb add YASI Yet Another Silly Idea
15:46 <FIQ> YANI?
15:46 <Rodney> Yet Another NetHack Idea
15:46 <FIQ> !learn add YASI Yet Another Silly Idea
15:46 <Rodney> Term yasi[3] successfully added.
15:46 <FIQ> yasi?
15:46 <FIQ> YASI?
15:46 <aosdict> ?> yasi
15:46 <Rodney> That entry is a little too long. See https://alt.org/nethack/Rodney/rodney-learn.php?s=yasi
15:46 <FIQ> hmm
15:46 <aosdict> ?> yasi[1]
15:46 <Rodney> yasi[1/3]: Yet Another Sadistic Idea
15:46 <Rodney> writerjack481 (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 876 points, T:2427, killed by a straw golem
15:46 <aosdict> ?> yasi[2
15:46 <Rodney> No results found for yasi[2.
15:46 <aosdict> ?> yasi[2]
15:46 <Rodney> yasi[2/3]: Yet Another Stupid Idea
15:47 <FIQ> why didn't Rodney react to "puck1 │ YASI?"
15:47 <jonadab> ?>EPI
15:47 <Rodney> 20 results for EPI: aggravate_monster ascension brainlessness caitiff epic_flail followers free_action hallucinated_monsters kraken leash leocrotta nutrition potion potion_of_monster_detection protection_racket quaff_test seems_not_to_notice_you stealth thrown_potions while_helpless
15:47 <jonadab> TWENTY results?
15:47 <aosdict> FIQ: it has to be #nethack:yasi or something
15:47 <jonadab> Someone's been playing.
15:47 <aosdict> ?> seems_not_to_notice_you
2017 Nov 18 Sat:
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11:38 <puck1> YASI: bones in resetted soko!
11:39 <Rodney> DeathRobin (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1635 points, T:2232, killed by a lucern hammer
2017 Nov 19 Sun:
14:21 <puck1> !DC 11
14:21 <Rodney> 4400
14:22 <aosdict> YASI: poker challenge in nethack.
14:23 <puck1> xD
17:19 <ais523> so you either gang up on it between two of its turns, or else kite it
17:19 <ChrisE> I have configured my client so that messages from Rodney do not count for the purpose of showing whether the channel has had activity.
17:19 <FIQ> YASI: minotaurs spawn much earlier, but can only move as grid bugs
17:19 <ais523> an annihilator grid bug, that has a disintegration attack in melee, would probably work
21:29 <carlosqueso> grrr...just ambushed by a master mind flayer on a no-teleport level
21:29 <carlosqueso> I usually genocide them, but haven't found any genocide scrolls
21:30 <aosdict> EPI: specifying fixed counts as 2 extra points of enchantment, so if you want to wish for fixed you have to wish for a lower + enchantment.
21:31 <Elizziebeth> NO
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22:09 <aosdict> YASI: revgenoing quantum mechanics increases Int by one point.
22:10 <aosdict> "Sent in some quantum mechanics. You feel smart!"
2017 Nov 20 Mon:
17:35 <NCommander> AC:-7 should get me down to medusa safely
17:36 <Rodney> pugman (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 1050 points, T:2047, killed by a giant spider
17:36 <aosdict> YASI: #untrapping a trapped iron door gives you a wand of lightning (0:1).
17:36 <StatueSurfer> hopefully
18:16 <Zaha_> Which is nice if you are lawful without a long sword skill and want to use Excalibur
18:17 <Rodney> quervo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 172 points, T:426, killed by a sewer rat
18:17 <aosdict> EPI: any randomly generated katana counts as an artifact.
18:18 <NCommander> ugh
2017 Nov 21 Tue:
05:57 <Andrio> Mm
05:57 <Rodney> sauvaigne (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1138 points, T:2356, killed by a magic missile
05:57 <deadnoob> yasi: wand of digging kills any monster made of earth instantly
05:58 <Rodney> sauvaigne (Val Hum Fem Neu), 56 points, T:94, caught herself in her own magical blast
07:09 <Grasshopper> jonadab, but if you kick from an adjacent square then you don;t actually see it
07:10 <shpingrlde> would be simpler to enforce by just collecting all gray stones
07:10 <Grasshopper> I'd classify that as an EPI conduct anyway, so apply whatever restrictions you want
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07:55 <puck1> I named real
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07:56 <Wooble> EPI: wizard names his fake amulet "REAL"
07:57 <raisse\splat> I used to call mine FAKE
07:57 <raisse\splat> my real amulet
07:57 <raisse\splat> now I usually call it IT'S THE REAL THING or 100% RECONSTITUTED AMULET OF YENDOR JUICE
07:58 <puck1> EPI?
07:58 <puck1> Rodney...
07:58 <puck1> Easy peasy idea?
08:00 <paxed> !learn add #nethack:epi? Evil Patch Idea
08:00 <Rodney> Term #nethack:epi?[1] successfully added.
08:02 <Rodney> ksw (Mon Hum Fem Law), 4746 points, T:2485, killed by a soldier ant
08:03 <Rodney> tower (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 781 points, T:2333, killed by a giant bat
2017 Nov 22 Wed:
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19:21 <Rodney> HTTPS: No matches for that query.
19:21 <deadnoob> yasi: the amulet of yendor has a small chance of forcing itself onto your neck, cursing itself, and becoming an amulet of strangulation until it is uncursed
19:21 <StatueSurfer> no
2017 Nov 23 Thu:
16:35 <ThatBenGuy> I feel like unless you visited all three altars, or you've ascended a bunch already, it just means you're afraid of dealing with another Rider
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16:35 <twrk> yasi , put a fencing weapon in nethack
16:36 <ChrisE> There are sabres.
21:17 <Deuce-Zen> if you've got enchant armor definitely
21:17 <Deuce-Zen> the scales alone... eh
21:17 <aosdict> YASI: whether the game decides to generate inconvenient Sokoban monsters or have them read scrolls of earth or whatever is dependent on your Luck.
21:17 <StatueSurfer> that gonna be in your variant?
2017 Nov 24 Fri:
23:24 <NCommander> notzmv, I cleaned out the goblin booze stash and a ton of potions of blindness and such
23:25 <Rodney> Moist (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2746 points, T:2107, killed by a rope golem
23:31 <deadnoob> yasi: artifact boomerang
23:31 <notzmv> lmao
2017 Nov 26 Sun:
17:14 <Taelia_> And gold is just rarer when it comes to being randomly spread on the ground?
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17:15 <aosdict> dnethack YASI: ward which is actually just the peace sign.
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2017 Nov 30 Thu:
22:38 <ChrisS67> yes, you need to levelport down
22:38 <ChrisS67> or branchport
22:38 <aosdict> YASI: the Staff of Saint Patrick, a Lawful artifact which has bonuses versus snakes.
22:38 <SegFault_> ChrisS67: ok thanks
22:55 <StatueSurfer> uh it doesn't have to be three notes
22:55 <Andrio> mm
22:58 <aosdict> YASI: harmonicas
23:02 <Rodney> snarksnark (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 981 points, T:1477, killed by a soldier ant
2017 Dec 01 Fri:
16:31 <NCommander> aosdict, I left it in a bag of holding :)
16:31 <NCommander> some poor sap is going to find those bones, find a cursed BoH, and trollsbane
16:32 <aosdict> EPI: the bones file saves the artifact-generated list, and any artifacts generated in the dead adventurer's game can't generate in the new guy's game either, since it's the same dungeon.
16:32 <NCommander> aosdict, I thought that wasn't decided until the bones file was loaded. i.e., you could get stormbringer, and then the game loads those bones, creating a generic runesword
16:33 <aosdict> ?> EPI[1]
16:33 <Rodney> 21 results for EPI. Please narrow your search.
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16:33 <aosdict> epi?
16:33 <Rodney> Evil Patch Idea
16:33 <aosdict> ^
16:33 <NCommander> aosdict, oh you mean SLEX's deferred features list
22:47 <Rodney> shizztastic (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 918 points, T:1151, killed by a hobbit, while sleeping
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22:48 <aosdict> EPI: you have to #pray at least every 1000 turns, or else your god becomes annoyed by your lack of piety and starts smiting you.
22:49 <ab5ni> hmm..never knew that. I always thought the less praying the better, and save it up for when u really need it
22:50 <ChrisS67> ab5ni- note the "EPI"
22:50 <ChrisS67> that's a suggestion, not a statement of how the game is now
22:50 <ab5ni> Ah..k..thanks
22:50 <ChrisS67> EPI = Evil Patch Idea
22:50 <ab5ni> ah..ok
22:59 <Rodney> scrappity (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1688 points, T:3743, killed by a kobold lord
22:59 <Rodney> blobber (Val Hum Fem Neu), 16371 points, T:10846, killed by a yeti, while frozen by a monster's gaze
23:00 <aosdict> YASI: wand of charging, nondirectional, uncursed-charges an item in inventory when zapped, cannot be recharged itself or used to blessed-charge things.
23:01 <ChrisS67> hmmm
2017 Dec 05 Tue:
13:08 <Rodney> Ziggurat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 398 points, T:998, killed by a giant rat
13:08 <Rodney> [nh361dev] HTTPS (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a water moccasin
13:09 <aosdict> YASI: archeologists can start with a woodchuck pet because they're protecting an endangered species
13:11 <Rodney> [nh361dev] HTTPS (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a water moccasin, while vomiting
2017 Dec 06 Wed:
13:29 <Gustavo6046> Will the game ever have cutscenes? (likely answer: not)
13:30 <SegFault_> itsblah: ok thanks
13:30 <aosdict> EPI: altars to Moloch may flash black on items that weren't actually cursed. Until now.
13:31 <raisse> lol that's a nice one
13:32 <aosdict> raisse: you think it should be a real thing?
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13:32 <raisse> it's better than many another EPI
13:32 <raisse> not actually very evil at all :-)
2017 Dec 07 Thu:
18:57 <Rodney> KindaRetarded (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1465 points, T:2036, killed by a bat
18:58 <deadnoob> ysai: psychology system so that if i repeatedly abuse my pet after it eats newt corpses it will be conditioned to not eat newt corpses anymore
18:58 <deadnoob> yasi*
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2017 Dec 10 Sun:
20:52 <ais523> FIQ: has she tested this? plining a message which is over twice as long as BUFSZ strikes me as unlikely to work
20:52 <Andrio> The minotaur hits! The minotaur hits! You die...
20:52 <deadnoob> yasi: allow weapons to be applied to force open locks
20:52 <FIQ> ais523: I don't know, but the endif comment seems relevant
20:53 <ais523> which endif comment? this is a different if/endif to PHANTOM_CRASH_BUG
20:58 <ais523> I'm actually impressed by how much actually works in slex, even though there are a lot of things that don't work too
20:58 <FIQ> if amy manages to complain to him enough that things isn't working
20:59 <ais523> huh, I just had a thought: why not put diagonalobans in the Evil Variant?
20:59 <ais523> it seems like a perfect fit
22:58 <Andrio> And bounce traps.
22:58 <Andrio> And monsters with attacks that try to push you.
23:03 <aosdict> YASI: ice plate mail
23:03 <Andrio> Does it melt if you take it into Gehennom?
2017 Dec 12 Tue:
20:31 <aosdict> like, drop some gold in the shop, enough to cover what you want, then teleport out
20:31 <StatueSurfer> okay yeah you can do credit stuff
20:31 <aosdict> YASI: As long as the player has followed p-less conduct, p and P class monsters cannot generate.
20:33 <Rodney> rustmonster (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 581 points, T:951, killed by a wererat
21:36 <Andrio> No, but using an uncursed one greatly reduces the odds of success.
21:36 <Andrio> because you can only affect one stack that way.
21:36 <aosdict> YASI: confused cursed scroll of punishment decreases god anger by 1.
21:37 <winny> maybe i should bide my time and wait for more sacrafice
2017 Dec 14 Thu:
14:48 <Rodney> deucezen (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2933730 points, T:73718, ascended
14:48 <Rodney> deucezen reaches #766 on the top 2000 list.
14:49 <aosdict> YASI: the message "The hair on the back of your neck stands up" doesn't happen if you're a Rogue and at any point have acquired the MKoT (because its pickup text includes those hairs falling out).
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16:01 <michagogo> The large cat eats a chameleon corpse. The large cat turns into a jellyfish!
16:01 <Deuce-Zen> that is decidedly less useful
16:02 <aosdict> YASI: you can apply a knife to a jellyfish corpse to turn it into a jelly sandwich
16:02 <Deuce-Zen> here's where RNG really plays with you when blind - find a lamp on the floor. could be a blessed magic lamp, wink wink
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18:30 <ChrisE> (Maybe it could be added to kicking boots?)
18:31 <ChrisE> A related Evil Patch Idea: If a xan pricks through water walking boots, they stop working.
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09:49 <Rodney> tower (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 963 points, T:1405, killed by a gnome lord
09:50 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: monsters can sit on thrones too, and they can farm wishes off it.
09:52 <Andrio> Then something might wish for a cockatrice corpse and realise they already have a weapon welded to their hand...
2017 Dec 16 Sat:
11:06 <Rodney> wraist (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 624 points, T:2233, killed by a dwarf
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11:11 <deadnoob> yasi: if a tripe ration is under a boulder your pet will patiently wait for the space to open up
11:11 <deadnoob> so that it doesn't get in the bloody way during sokoban
21:28 <norbert> ah, yes
21:28 <norbert> yes, now it works, I could use the stairs, thanks
21:29 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: stairs do move.
21:29 <aosdict> Especially when you step onto one.
2017 Dec 18 Mon:
21:44 <ais523> aosdict: hurtling, for example
21:44 <ais523> it's not a very good reason
21:45 <rchase> weight-based traps... stop giving people evil ideas!
21:45 <ais523> but at one point, the fastest known way to cross the plane of Air involved a stack of loadstones, a stack of amulets of lifesaving, and a cursed unihorn
2017 Dec 20 Wed:
06:19 <jonadab> (By leaving the level quickly.)
06:19 <enkrypt> haha, cool
06:20 <ais523> jonadab: the Evil Variant puts DL21's monster set onto DL1
06:20 <ais523> it's survivable
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08:49 <aosdict> Wooble: EPI: vampire bats which are really vampires can drain levels too. And fog clouds too, why not?
08:50 <Rodney> ergf (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3816 points, T:4724, killed by a mumak
19:57 <Wayward_Vagabond> aosdict: only if they ignite flamable monsters that enter their tiles
19:57 <Wayward_Vagabond> Oh, that and fire traps need to turn paper/straw/wood golems into fire elementals
19:57 <Wayward_Vagabond> evil idea
19:58 <Jumble> what are you talking about
2017 Dec 21 Thu:
11:28 <pythondude> are shriekers toxic?
11:28 <aosdict> no
11:29 <aosdict> EPI: make rings of conflict cursed most of the time.
11:30 <Rodney> daydreamer (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1013 points, T:1533, killed by a gnome
2017 Dec 22 Fri:
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16:03 <Rodney> tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1002 points, T:1846, killed by a dwarf
16:03 <puck1> EPI?
16:03 <Rodney> Evil Patch Idea
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2017 Dec 23 Sat:
12:43 <FIQ> nethack has a rather unforgiving earlygame but a ridiculously easy lategame assuming (somewhat) optimal play
12:43 <Raeven0> wereWizardofYendor
12:43 <jonadab> The Evil Patch Ideas list suggests things like weregridbugs, werepiranhas, precisely because these lycanthropies would be horrible to contract.
12:43 <ChrisE> I actually quite like the feeling of spending time playing having largely overcome the challenges.
14:02 <Rodney> [nh361dev] tmasher (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2488 points, T:6723, killed by a giant beetle
14:02 <Rodney> [nh361dev] tmasher reaches #1097 on the top 2000 list.
14:05 <aosdict> ChrisE: expanding on that YASI: if wearing a ring of slow digestion and polyselfed into a rock mole or umber hulk, slow digestion makes you dig 1/20 as fast.
14:06 <Deuce-Zen> although i think both really dig with claws...
2017 Dec 28 Thu:
16:11 <deadnoob> is he the 30 ascend guy
16:11 <ChrisS67> you mean ascension streak?
16:11 <deadnoob> yasi: make sokoban randomly generate puzzles
16:11 <deadnoob> yes
2018 Jan 01 Mon:
07:36 <Rodney> Jandor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 154 points, T:465, killed by a carnivorous bag
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07:40 <deadnoob> yasi: conduct wishing
07:41 <deadnoob> wish that you fufill a conduct despite breaking it in the past
2018 Jan 03 Wed:
17:11 <aosdict> deadnoob: that is the quantity that gets halved.
17:12 <Moult> aosdict: 40 items in each. A ton of items
17:12 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: blessing a bag of holding will halve just the (very small) weight of the bag, and not the weight of its contents.
17:12 <aosdict> Moult: why not just put them all in one bag
2018 Jan 05 Fri:
15:23 <ChrisE> See, if you had taken him with you perhaps he could have defeated the dwarf king. :P
15:25 <oh6> heh
15:25 <aosdict> YASI: To move pets that are polymorphed into sessile forms, you need to plant them in a pot, which you can carry around with you.
15:25 <Rodney> [nh361dev] ThatBenGuy (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2607 points, T:4236, killed by a gray unicorn
2018 Jan 08 Mon:
10:22 <Nehpets> I was thinking that he would try, but then I remembered that if you throw the Amulet to him, he tends to leave you alone.
10:23 <Nehpets> So, I figured I'd ask. bummer.
10:24 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: Every turn Rodney has the Amulet, he has a small chance to finally crack the secret of its powers, and he becomes an invincible god. When this happens, the game is now unwinnable.
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2018 Jan 12 Fri:
15:40 <jmr_> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dip
15:41 <jmr_> water walking or flying
15:41 <aos> YASI: a piece of rope that you can attach to items and dip them into water while levitating.
15:42 <aos> but in all seriousness there should be a way to #dip into adjacent water squares without leaving dry land. <-- YANI
2018 Jan 16 Tue:
15:45 <ChrisE> (Though that doesn't seem to happen much.)
15:46 <Rodney> guiltypanacea (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1329 points, T:1962, killed by a dwarf
15:47 <ChrisE> Evil patch idea: Monsters can steal from in your containers, except for cursed bags of holding.
15:47 <ChrisE> (More evil version: They can steal from cursed bags of holding and also incur the risk of destroying items each time they do this.)
2018 Jan 18 Thu:
08:46 <FIQ> meant engrave with the wand
08:46 <FIQ> sorry
08:47 <aosdict> FIQ: EPI: make sleep and death rays the same color so you can't tell them apart like that.
08:48 <FIQ> aosdict: then you can make sure it bounces somewhere
08:48 <Rodney> tmasher (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 447 points, T:1150, killed by an invisible gnome lord
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12:55 <Deuce-Zen> You fire the cloak of magic resistance. The Wizard of Yendor is now wearing a cloak of magic resistance on his head
12:56 <aosdict> YASI: t-shirt cannon
12:57 <Deuce-Zen> would need stackable t-shirts
2018 Jan 19 Fri:
16:17 <jonadab> I usually stash them, until I know which one is which.
16:17 <aosdict> I think I remember that from grunthack, but if it's grunthack-exclusive that makes sense
16:17 <jonadab> aosdict: Eep, that sounds like the Evil Patch.
16:18 <Rodney> diocletian (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 300 points, T:458, killed by a sewer rat
16:19 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: fire, even if _you_ are resistant to it, can still burn your bag. A burned bag has small holes in it, so small objects can fall out. If it's very burned, slightly larger ones can fall out...
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2018 Jan 22 Mon:
16:01 <aosdict> you definitely can. Not sure what other arti would be better, unless you're playing 3.6.1 and want that sweet Cleaver multi-hit.
16:01 <Rodney> asco (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 257558 points, T:29699, quit
16:02 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: artifacts are so charged with magic, any attempt to enchant them will evaporate them. You have to use them at +0 for the whole game.
16:03 <Rodney> Xylaria (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 6001 points, T:4576, killed by an elf mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze
16:03 <friki> already enchanced once with blessed scroll. Thanks for the tip, i'll stop doing it :-)
16:03 <aosdict> that wasn't a tip, it's an evil patch idea, aka an idea that's terrible and shouldn't ever be implemented
16:04 <Rodney> Tikka (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1474 points, T:3693, killed by a hill orc
2018 Jan 25 Thu:
21:51 <jonadab> You often don't have a wand of death the first time you see a titan, though.
21:51 <StatueSurfer> true
21:51 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: new version of Medusa's Island, comes with a hostile archon.
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21:51 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: new version of the Big Room, comes with an arch-lich.
21:52 <StatueSurfer> at least when you enter big room, you're already on the upstair...
21:53 <rchase> jonadab: you're fiendish
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21:54 <StatueSurfer> well frankly it's easy to come up with horrifically unfair evil ideas
21:54 <jonadab> It is, yes.
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21:58 <Rodney> Adine (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 1887 points, T:4190, poisoned by a rotted pony corpse
22:00 <jonadab> EPI: werebats.
22:01 <StatueSurfer> well that's not *that* evil
2018 Jan 26 Fri:
19:08 <deadnoob> i didn't
19:09 <Zaha> hm, I'm not sure if that usually happens if you lose levitation unexpectedly, I guess not
19:10 <Zaha> I guess that would be an EPI
19:12 <Rodney> maxmaxmaxmaxmax (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 218 points, T:586, killed by a hobbit
2018 Jan 27 Sat:
15:46 <ChrisE> Yet Another Silly Idea: If you press Escape while grabbed, you get the "cannot escape" message.
15:46 <ais523> OK, that's amazing
15:46 <ais523> one of the best YASIs I've seen in ages
15:46 <Rodney> MaxPower (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 11285 points, T:9085, killed by a flesh golem
2018 Jan 29 Mon:
11:46 <Rodney> Pellun (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 202 points, T:888, killed by a black pudding
11:46 <ChrisE> No.
11:47 <Wooble> evil patch idea: yes.
11:47 <Wooble> also give all covetous monsters a /oDig too.
12:22 <Matt|home> man
12:22 <Matt|home> i really need a magic marker :\ i came across like 1 identify scroll -once- and that was it
12:22 <aosdict> EPI: a monster spell that turns your chest stash into a mimic, which instantly eats all the contents.
12:26 <Rodney> Dalbozz (Val Hum Fem Law), 715 points, T:1325, killed by a giant bat
18:41 <aosdict> YANI: In variants that add felt markers, allow them to still write spellbooks - but not scrolls.
18:41 <Rodney> diocletian (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 182 points, T:296, killed by contaminated water
18:42 <jonadab> YASI: felt markers can write scrolls of mail.
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2018 Jan 31 Wed:
22:34 <Matt|home> yeah
22:35 <Matt|home> i have 3 wishes on the wand (haven't used it), and 3 charges left on the polymorph wand
22:35 <aosdict> YASI: hitting a ghost with a cold ray will incredibly rarely turn it into a milky potion
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2018 Feb 01 Thu:
14:34 <ohsnap__> 120. 95. 80. 58. 50. ?. 17. You kill Orcus!
14:35 <ohsnap__> used two potions of paralysis just in case.. the second one hit for 8 damage, too. Guess what Orcus had in his inventory besides his wand? That's right, a potion of paralysis. looooool
14:38 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: sometimes Rodney will generate wearing a ring of free action.
14:38 <Rodney> [nh361dev] FrizzleFry (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 287 points, T:478, killed by a jackal
2018 Feb 03 Sat:
14:36 <scorchgeek> stupid floating eye inside a door...
14:37 <Rodney> Pneumatic (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2788 points, T:3377, killed by a soldier ant
14:38 <aosdict> YASI: if you open a door and there's a previously unknown floating eye right on the other side, you are frightened to death for several turns.
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2018 Feb 04 Sun:
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10:45 <scorchgeek> Yeah, get yourself some MR...
10:46 <ChrisE> At least there isn't a spell that makes a cockatrice corpse appear in your hand.
10:46 <Rodney> lsf1968 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 599 points, T:1282, killed by a large mimic
10:47 <scorchgeek> Now that would be evil.
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19:07 <nyingen> Also the whole thing is kind of gross. Carrying around part of an old, squishy dead lizard with bites taken out of it, entrails no doubt exposed
19:07 <StatueSurfer> luckily we can't see that, since this isn't dwarf fortress
19:07 <aosdict> Mild EPI: once you bite a lizard corpse, you transfer your mouth enzymes to it, making it start a rot timer like any other corpse
19:07 <diocletian> does engraving wih a wand use up a charge even if you choose not to engrave after the identifying message appears?
20:54 <nyingen> "You hear a monster behind the boulder. Perhaps that's why you're about to starve to death in Sokoban."
20:54 <bouquet> this particular run went from promising to shit so I may as well enjoy it.
20:54 <aosdict> YASI: "spice" up Sokoban by reverse genociding long worms in it
20:54 <bouquet> herding them isn't so bad, actually.
2018 Feb 05 Mon:
12:21 <Rodney> NvrPhazed (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1274 points, T:1859, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rothe
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12:27 <deadnoob> yasi: in the nethack universe all elves are twins but at birth they fight to the death and the winner eats the loser's corpse and gains intrinsic sleep resistance
12:31 <Deuce-Zen> thats yahi
2018 Feb 06 Tue:
16:11 <eraserhead> ic
16:11 <Deuce-Zen> the amulet of yendor can also be worn/wielded to give "warm/warmer/hot" messages
16:11 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: the portal on the Plane of Air moves, because the air blows it around. The clouds also get blown around. And if you've detected the portal, you "see" it at the place where you detected it.
16:11 <eraserhead> looks like oilskin cloak might be useful here...
2018 Feb 07 Wed:
18:50 <friki> ok..
18:50 <scorchgeek> and you can't levelport or branchport at all
18:51 <Zaha> EPI: trying to teleport while carrying the amulet has a chance of triggering the mysterious force
18:51 *scorchgeek shudders momentarily
2018 Feb 08 Thu:
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18:28 <aosdict> EPI: instead of a random amulet in the fake fake wizard's tower, put a cheap plastic imitation of the Amulet of Yendor there instead - which to an unspoiled player will just look like "the Amulet of Yendor".
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02:52 <eraserhead> is there a setting to ignore all items on the ground - it's like spam in this zoo!
02:52 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: If a thrown weapon hits a quantum mechanic, the weapon gets teleported.
02:52 <eraserhead> rofl
19:31 <zwihander> incredible
19:31 <zwihander> not my night
19:32 <aosdict> __tcug: that would be an excellent Evil Patch Idea (a corpse which poisons you or releases a stinking cloud just by being there)
19:33 <zwihander> ugh, i've had enough poisoned corpses heh
2018 Feb 10 Sat:
19:01 <isha> a good first wish for almost anyone is SDSM
19:02 <isha> (blessed fixed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail)
19:02 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: a cursed magic lamp will run out of power after 1500 turns and will then become an unfilled regular oil lamp.
19:02 <isha> this gives you lots of AC and, even more importantly, reflection
2018 Feb 12 Mon:
04:51 <zid> I hate levelling up :P that's why I keep dying in 3.6 ;)
04:51 <eraserhead> he smouldered my robe - one shotted me
04:51 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: ring of fast death
04:52 <Andrio> You mean the ring of polymorph?
2018 Feb 13 Tue:
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09:16 <raisse> zid: yes but jonadab was talking about big room and soko, which isn't exactly early game either
09:16 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: what zid said.
09:16 <zid> I'd consider the endgame over after soko
11:00 <leviyatan> I think it's doable, I only chatted in valley and lost all protection in hope of getting crowned
11:00 <leviyatan> So I ascended without protection and without finger of death
11:01 <Wooble> Evil Patch Idea: killing priests also breaks atheist.
11:01 <Rodney> quervo (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 975 points, T:873, killed by a gnome
11:01 <leviyatan> I think that's something chaotic atheists would do
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11:02 <leviyatan> Evil Patch Idea: Offering amulet of yendor also breaks atheist
11:02 <leviyatan> makes it hardest conduct in game
14:51 <friki> yes... i don't know why I simply ignored it
14:51 <friki> in this game i've killed about 20 'c'... it whas a plague
14:52 <aosdict> YASI: cockatrice mode. Only cockatrices spawn, and they don't respect extinction.
14:52 <friki> fuck... it whas ascendable even at my noob-level
2018 Feb 15 Thu:
00:13 <isha> and this isn't an equipment thing but another warning: there's a drawbridge on the last level, don't let the giants zap you with striking when you try to cross it
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00:14 <aosdict> YASI: ring of immunity to drawbridges.
00:14 <isha> that's an amulet!
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03:22 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: A bag of holes
03:22 <ChrisE> Some proportion of things fall out of the bag, landing on the floor (and breaking if delicate).
2018 Feb 17 Sat:
20:16 <eraserhead> rofl - ur right!
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20:18 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: 1% of the time, other green monsters leave a lump of green slime instead of the corpse they would normally leave. Eating it turns you into a green slime.
20:20 <Rodney> rahn (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1354 points, T:2759, killed by a pony, while praying
2018 Feb 22 Thu:
13:12 <Rodney> rahn (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1243 points, T:2102, killed by a human zombie
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13:15 <Zaha> EPI: there are cursed gold pieces. Shopkeepers get angry if you try to pay with them.
13:17 <aosdict> and cursed gold pieces will merge with uncursed gold pieces, causing all of them to become cursed.
2018 Feb 25 Sun:
14:16 <trwyth> "You cannot escape from the lichen!"
14:16 <zid> everything gives every intrinsic, grid bugs hit for d0 and give 100000 experience
14:16 <zid> and d2 has the amulet
14:16 <aosdict> trwyth: lichenthropy? :D
14:17 <aosdict> YASI: ^
14:17 <zid> yet another sexual-deviant's idea
2018 Feb 26 Mon:
10:35 <trwyth> If I can just gifted one of the Banes I'll have unlocked it
10:35 <trwyth> Yup!
10:35 <aosdict> YASI: "Your Snickersnee goes snicker-snack!"
10:35 <stennowork> sorry if i tell things that you already know
2018 Feb 28 Wed:
23:48 <CursedFlames> aand I accidentally wielded a cursed dagger
23:48 <nyingen> A guy on here had an amusing game in which an orc did that in the doorway of the first sokoban level
23:48 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: the monsters can zap the wand at the floor under *you*, causing you to fall down instead.
23:49 <Andrio> mm
2018 Mar 04 Sun:
15:35 <Rodney> maxmaxmaxmaxmax (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 423 points, T:983, killed by a small mimic
15:35 <aosdict> well that's one way to blow up a bag of holding...
15:35 <raisse> EPI: a cursed land mine will explode at a random time, and if it's in a bag destroy the bag and all its breakable contents
15:35 <raisse> and scatter all the unbreakable contents around the level
2018 Mar 05 Mon:
14:36 <CctheOwl> i blame rng!
14:38 <CctheOwl> But now the game has started me out with =oSD, ring of invisibility, and a cursed pair of speed boots, so...I forgive it.
14:39 <Rodney> ZaphodB (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1288 points, T:1550, poisoned by an orcish arrow
14:39 <trwyth> cursed pair of speed boots "OH GOD I CAN'T STOP RUNNING"
14:40 <aosdict> YASI: ^
14:41 <aosdict> would only really make sense if nethack encouraged you to stop and rest after running for a while
2018 Mar 07 Wed:
11:24 <Rodney> needler (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 201 points, T:174, killed by a fox, while sleeping
11:26 <Rodney> sthegreat (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1015 points, T:1414, killed by a pony
11:28 <aosdict> trwyth: EPI: being burdened impairs spellcasting even more than gauntlets of power.
11:28 <Rodney> baonao (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1005 points, T:1707, killed by a cave spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze
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11:31 <trwyth> that's true but IMO if I require gauntlets in order to be unencumbered while walking around then I haven't paid enough attention to what I do and don't need
11:32 <aosdict> ?> epi
11:32 <Rodney> 21 results for epi. Please narrow your search.
11:32 <aosdict> epi?
11:32 <Rodney> Evil Patch Idea
11:32 <aosdict> ^
11:32 <trwyth> Ohhh
11:32 <trwyth> not what I thought :)
11:32 <aosdict> ?>evil patch idea
11:32 <Rodney> That entry is a little too long. See https://alt.org/nethack/Rodney/rodney-learn.php?s=evil_patch_idea
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11:38 <Rodney> nprosser (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 627 points, T:2051, killed by a coyote
11:41 <dizzylizzy> where is the list of evil patch ideas
11:41 <dizzylizzy> all i can see is a definition of 'evil patch idea'
11:41 <ais523> dizzylizzy: might be in aosdict's userspace on the wiki
11:41 <Rodney> merpish (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 301 points, T:84, killed by a falling rock
11:51 <Rodney> needler (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 308 points, T:416, killed by a hobbit
11:52 <Rodney> goast (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 274 points, T:1497, killed by a coyote
11:53 <aosdict> ais523: no, the EPI list is controlled by jonadab and is automated
11:54 <Rodney> dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2601 points, T:2514, killed by a shattered potion
11:56 <trwyth> ahhhhh
11:57 <Rodney> needler (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 390 points, T:667, killed by a straw golem
11:59 <ChrisE> Or is jonadab controlled by the EPI list?
11:59 <Rodney> Homage (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 26 points, T:301, killed by a fox
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12:00 <Wooble> googling jonadab EPI gives you pages about bible conspiracies so who knows what weird control is going on?
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12:05 <Rodney> Atomicjoy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8 points, T:87, killed by a jackal, while praying
12:06 <aosdict> ChrisE: no, AmyBSOD is controlled by the EPI list.
12:06 <Rodney> Tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 774 points, T:1060, killed by a manes
12:54 <Rodney> RDY (Kni Hum Mal Law), 53 points, T:102, killed by kicking a wall
12:54 <Rodney> dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 7191 points, T:3771, killed by a killer bee
12:54 <Wooble> Evil patch idea: it considers saving by changing levels untoward.
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21:36 <jonadab> There's a decent argument to be made for using a spear as a Valkyrie in Fourk.
21:36 <jonadab> In fact, my current Let's Play character is a Valkyrie using a spear named Monster Hunter.
21:36 <CctheOwl> "The elven spear thrown by the Grey-Elf pins your boots to the wall behind you! You are stuck!" and it has the same effect, although on a lesser scale, as a beartrap.
21:36 <aosdict> neonKow: you want elves to be... bad at using elven weapons?
21:36 <jonadab> EPI: ^
21:37 <jonadab> aosdict: He's saying they're _currently_ not especially good at using them.
2018 Mar 09 Fri:
22:49 <bouquet> ha, your name is cut off after the "m" in my client.
22:49 <CursedFlames> yeah, nethack cuts off my name in the hp bar
22:50 <ais523> Evil Variant: all three altars are incorrect unless you escaped in celestial disgrace in the previous game, forcing you to streak in order to be able to win; this is disguised as unreliable alignment display for the altars
22:50 <InstX1> streak?
22:51 <ais523> regardless of what alignment you had at the time
22:51 <Andrio> Ah.
22:51 <ais523> but this is Evil and thus not to be used in serious variants
22:51 <Andrio> Just to confirm that the gods are messing with you.
2018 Mar 12 Mon:
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02:26 <Rodney> Svennstr (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2872 points, T:1449, quit
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02:28 *sanYasi tell me any channel of carders...
02:29 <Menche> ???
02:29 *sanYasi irc channel of carders
02:29 *Menche does not know what that is
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2018 Mar 15 Thu:
10:37 <dizzylizzy> let's get rid of candles and just make it an electric candelabrum
10:37 <Sashai> zorkmid blockchain
10:37 <Wooble> evil patch idea: it's a magic lamp, but if you #rub it and get a djinni out before the invocation, the game is unwinnable.
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2018 Mar 21 Wed:
04:26 <Rodney> Caribou (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 1005 points, T:1094, killed by a gas spore's explosion
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04:33 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: Sea monkeys live in pools of water and can both steal your items (like monkeys) and drown you.
04:38 <nyingen> heh, stealing items is bad enough
2018 Mar 26 Mon:
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22:24 <arahael> Novel: Which is a bit tricky. in a corridor.
22:25 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: When magical items get diluted in water, that water becomes dangerously magical. Interacting with it or even being near it can then subject you to random magical effects.
22:25 <Novel> yep. But if you want both, it's the best I've done. I don't like trying to outrun a mimc at low level, b/c if they hit on 1st shot they can hold you.
22:25 <aosdict> If they get diluted in a *body* of water, then this spreads to the whole thing.
22:25 <Novel> Makes some sense in fountains & maybe pools, but when we're talking water level it's just too dilute.
22:26 <aosdict> It's an evil patch idea, it doesn't need much justification other than being evil.
22:26 <Novel> Ok. :)
2018 Mar 27 Tue:
15:01 <Rodney> zeth91 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8 points, T:163, killed by a sewer rat
15:01 <ChrisE> Yet Another Nice Idea: Buckets
15:01 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: You die if you kick them
15:02 <ChrisE> (Oh, oops, there's a thing that collects those ideas, isn't there? It will get that one without context.)
2018 Mar 30 Fri:
11:11 <Wooble> (although I think humanoid works too, I always just use the glyph.)
11:11 <enkrypt> I'm always scared to wipe out my own race by accident, since I'm human :p
11:14 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: wiping out all humanoids should naturally wipe out all playable races since they're humanoid, right? So blessed-genociding h always kills you.
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2018 Apr 01 Sun:
15:50 <jonadab> Which you then have to deal with.
15:50 <jonadab> Proceeding to play normally afterward and it goes away by itself in a couple of dungeon levels isn't consequences to speak of.
15:51 <FIQ> maybe just remove the concept of alignment record and add something akin to dnh sin counter
15:51 <zid> Get smitten every time you lose alignment :P
15:51 <jonadab> EPI: ^
15:51 <Rodney> Bajax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3970 points, T:3884, killed by a leather golem
15:51 <jonadab> You violated your own moral code? WADB!
15:51 <zid> make that 8d5 lightning
15:51 <jonadab> One does not simply lose alignment points in the Evil Patch!
15:55 <Rodney> btyrant (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 341 points, T:767, killed by a brown mold
2018 Apr 02 Mon:
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16:01 <deadnoob> yasi: less mazes in genehomm. instead give us seven levels based on dante's inferno at regular intervals
16:03 <Rodney> shrimpboom8 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8049 points, T:7261, killed by a soldier ant
2018 Apr 03 Tue:
23:16 <bethefawn> What's your username, Novel?
23:16 <Novel> JDucking
23:16 <jonadab> YASI: the portal on the Plane of Water is stationary relative to the level, and whenever a bubble comes into contact with it, the entire bubble goes through the portal to the next Plane.
23:16 <Novel> Good thing the portals work in one direction only, or fire would be flooded
2018 Apr 04 Wed:
18:18 <aosdict> Considering str 18 is supposed to be the best of all mankind and 10 is supposed to be downright average, you're doing fine already
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18:19 <aosdict> YANI/EPI: It gets harder and harder to raise a stat successfully through exercise as it gets higher.
18:19 <Rodney> avgas (Val Hum Fem Law), 3344 points, T:3488, killed by a vampire bat
2018 Apr 05 Thu:
00:26 <ThorClock> teleport removes engravings too though so it's hard to identify that way
00:26 <Rodney> tgkk (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2654 points, T:2951, killed by a gnome
00:26 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: wand of nothing does make your engravings vanish. It still has no other effects.
00:26 <deadnoob> cancellation "kills" all golem types?
00:28 <Rodney> tldamian (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1250 points, T:1717, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze
00:29 <ThorClock> for identifying i usually write with finger, then write with wand, and if it vanishes I zap a junk scroll
00:29 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: a wand that can only be engrave-ided on top of a burnt engraving.
00:29 <aosdict> Actually, cold could serve that purpose, just remove the ice cubes message.
2018 Apr 06 Fri:
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07:46 <ChrisE> Yet Another Silly Evil Patch Idea: An amulet of annoying inventory problems
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14:20 <dizzylizzy> So it teleported me somewhere else on the map, hurt the purple worm (but did not teleport it), and teleported all monsters around me far away
14:20 <BilldaCat> ok good
14:20 <aosdict> YASI: You take a point of fire damage when the amulet of yendor feels hot
14:20 <BilldaCat> well, here goes
2018 Apr 07 Sat:
13:32 <Novel> I just convert altars (not temples). Easy enough.
13:32 <forbincol> I do play on NAO Guest59525
13:32 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: all wands of wishing generate 0:0. You can either wrest it for one wish, or have to find blessed charging someplace else.
13:32 <Novel> stenno: The biggest prob I've had was orctown & no general shops making price id impossible & no id scrolls making full id worse.
13:33 <stenno> Novel: nasty
13:34 <stenno> forbincol: aah i see, sorry (i was the Guest nick)
13:34 <dizzylizzy> Evil Patch Idea: No wand of wishing. Only lamps.
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2018 Apr 08 Sun:
20:07 <Rodney> Matgen (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 699 points, T:1564, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food
20:08 <Rodney> shizztastic (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 384 points, T:969, killed by a fox
20:08 <aosdict> Wayward_Vagabond: YASI: If you eat your pet shortly after it ate a corpse that confers something, you get those effects too.
20:09 <Novel> aos permanently, or time-limited?
20:42 <dizzylizzy> haha, L's be all like, "YOU GUYS this has never happened before WHAT DO WE DO"
20:42 <Novel> Sacfifice yourselves! Go up in smoke, instead of on stairs!
20:44 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: Ls on Astral warp to the high altars to heal.
20:45 <aosdict> (but seriously I have no idea why there are Ls and Vs hardcoded on Astral, wouldn't the priests not tolerate undead hanging around?)
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20:46 <aosdict> YANI: remove them.
20:46 <aosdict> EPI: replace them with master mind flayers.
20:46 <Rodney> MetaMauz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 308 points, T:1624, killed by a wand
2018 Apr 09 Mon:
04:55 <stennowork> lol thanks
04:55 *stennowork also wears lenses irl
04:55 <stennowork> YASI: sunglasses - protect from blinding attacks and also gives a charisma boost
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04:57 <Muad> YASI: goggles - they do nothing
04:57 <stennowork> googly eyes
2018 Apr 10 Tue:
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17:06 <Rodney> mrninjadude (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 812 points, T:1321, killed by an ettin called Etta James
17:09 <deadnoob> yasi: give cats nine lives that only activate when they die from full hp at a boulder trap, give it to dogs as well for balancing purposes
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2018 Apr 11 Wed:
14:51 <aosdict> wow look at ms. moneybags over here
14:52 <Rodney> Gufier (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 82 points, T:385, killed by a falling object
14:53 <aosdict> YASI: The ability to hammer the 95 Theses into the door of a temple, which increases Wisdom but makes it impossible for you to buy benefits from priests anymore.
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2018 Apr 12 Thu:
23:17 <aosdict> yes, I like the TDTTOE of those canceling each other out
23:18 <dizzylizzy> doom goes the byn-o-mite
23:18 <aosdict> YASI: a -1 luck penalty for playing on major holidays like christmas, to incentivize players not to play nethack and spend time with their family instead or something
23:19 <aosdict> unfair to those who don't celebrate it though
2018 Apr 13 Fri:
08:08 <Wooble> it turns out enough regular daggers will kill them too :P
08:09 <stennowork> dizzylizzy, which role?
08:09 <Wooble> evil patch idea: silver haters are impervious to non-silver
08:09 <Rodney> merpish (Val Dwa Fem Law), 80 points, T:200, killed by a water moccasin, while praying
08:09 <ChrisE> I daresay they do hate silver, but I would say the hate is not the core aspect.
08:09 <Andrio> Solution: play the entire game as a vampire.
08:10 <Wooble> (except Vlad. Not being able to kill Vlad with a partly eaten pancake would be *too* evil even for the Evil Patch)
08:10 <ChrisE> It makes it sound like if they went on a Silver Appreciation Course then they would no longer suffer extra damage from silver.
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18:49 <ChrisE> Hmm......
18:50 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: Luck equal to 13 is bad.
18:50 <dizzylizzy> Evil Patch Idea: Identify is a Level 7 spell
18:51 <dizzylizzy> also identify scrolls go waaaay down in generation probability
18:51 <dizzylizzy> ...but many convoluted alternate methods of indirectly identifying objects are implemented
2018 Apr 14 Sat:
15:29 <Rodney> sergent (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2805 points, T:2753, killed by a gnome lord
15:32 <Rodney> spiridion (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 692 points, T:2266, killed by a giant rat
15:32 <deadnoob> yasi: switch the effects of black and silver dragons for SEO purposes. now masochists will stumble upon this game searching for BDSM and the playerbase will grow
15:33 <Rodney> Noxtrous (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 376 points, T:747, killed by a gas spore's explosion
20:32 <Rodney> WatashiWaIkura (Val Dwa Fem Law), 230 points, T:313, killed by a water moccasin
20:35 <Rodney> maxmaxmaxmaxmax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4253 points, T:3164, killed by an ettin zombie
20:36 <aosdict> (Very mild) EPI: random dogs can sometimes be named Hachi or Sirius even outside of bones.
20:36 <Rodney> WatashiWaIkura (Val Dwa Fem Law), 61 points, T:1286, killed by a grid bug
2018 Apr 18 Wed:
09:30 <Zachaq> "A voice booms out: 'Thou cannot hide forever'"
09:30 <Zachaq> aosdict: true dat
09:30 <aosdict> YASI: if you shout "Avada Kedavra" while zapping a wand of death, it turns green and the ray flies farther.
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09:39 <stennowork> would the double trouble have comr too?
09:40 <Rodney> [nh361dev] bramtayl (Val Dwa Fem Law), 498 points, T:2302, killed by a large dog
09:41 <Wooble> EPI: octuple trouble
09:44 <Wooble> YANI: with expert in escape spells, teleport away can work like breaking a wand of teleport.
2018 Apr 20 Fri:
22:52 <Rodney> Bajax (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4838 points, T:3746, killed by a crocodile, while praying
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22:54 <aosdict> YASI: If hallucinating, replace the message "You can't fight yourself." with some message about your inner conflicts.
22:54 <Shengarne> Can I pray if my alignment is negative?
2018 Apr 21 Sat:
02:54 <ELRanger_> Ah dsummers I saw your message as I was leaving. You actually weren't in that bad of a position I think.
02:54 <ELRanger_> You could've dropped down the hole and come back up the <.
02:55 <dizzylizzy> Sokoban 2a is evil and should be abolished. I'll be submitting a patch replacing it with a better puzzle.
02:55 <dsummers> I couldn't get to the hole
2018 Apr 22 Sun:
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12:29 <Rodney> merpish (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1095 points, T:1083, killed by a dingo
12:29 <Novel> YASI: intelligent artifact does greater of straight damage currently demanded, or % of max dmg.
12:30 <dizzylizzy> quantum mechanic's kitty died :(
17:58 <dizzylizzy> Novel: SEE
17:58 <MiseryMyra> Congrats, dizzylizzy
17:58 <dizzylizzy> 3.6.0 is evil
17:59 <forbincol> congrats
22:43 <Rodney> Therin (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 142 points, T:826, killed by a black pudding, while fainted from lack of food
22:43 <Rodney> CoolgyFurlough (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1070 points, T:3165, killed by a dwarf lord
22:44 <Novel> YASI Random (player) race shopowners outside of mines -- better prices for shared race, worse for generally opposing races
22:45 <Rodney> Meanwater (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 839 points, T:2694, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze
2018 Apr 25 Wed:
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16:48 <dizzylizzy> just nice drain resistance for the valley
16:48 <deadnoob> YASI: an extended command that makes pets try to path towards you
16:48 <Shishire> #hereboy?
17:46 <Novel> I dunno, I rarely level many skills
17:47 <Rodney> THEGOAT (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 7212 points, T:3168, killed by a giant mimic
17:49 <Novel> YASI as depth grows, possibility of traps in the hallways grows
17:49 <Rodney> dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1450 points, T:1828, killed by a bolt of cold
2018 Apr 26 Thu:
12:42 <Wooble> you know, in case your old one gets rotted or burned which has no effect whatsoever.
12:43 <Rodney> h2g2 (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 874 points, T:1269, killed by an imp
12:45 <Shishire> YASI: New type of mimic that the tourist starts out with. It eats all monsters in a single chomp, but only if it's owner isn't carrying any weapons or armor (other than a hawaiian shirt) (Yes, I know, the balancing would be impossible)
12:46 <Rodney> [nh361dev] dsummers (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12518 points, T:5787, killed by a tiger
2018 Apr 27 Fri:
08:55 <stennowork> haha
08:55 <nervous> kick it to death
08:55 <ais523> this is getting into Evil Variant territory
08:55 <ais523> I was planning to put a countdown, in realtime, that limits how long you have to do the asc run
08:55 <stennowork> like the lava time distortion
08:55 <nervous> (your death)
08:55 <stennowork> would be evil if there was a mechanism that would do that on purpose
08:56 <nervous> boulders thrown by giants should have a chance of displacing you
08:56 <nervous> physics and all
08:56 <stennowork> EPI: lava time distortion but on purpose!
08:56 <nervous> would make valk quest more interesting
08:56 <zid> is spitting the difference re crawl
08:57 <zid> and making a ghost type per class
08:57 <ais523> Evil Variant: zero time commands have a 10% chance of costing a turn
08:57 <Wooble> EPI: every key press counts as an action
08:57 <ais523> hmm, actually should be lower
08:57 <stennowork> key press even lol
10:28 <Novel> morakh I've thought about chancing that; but not worth trying.
10:28 <Novel> Just wanted to be sure
10:28 <aosdict> reminds me of that Evil Patch Idea to split the concept of "poison" into like 10 different types: venom, neurotoxins, etc.
10:29 <Wooble> aosdict: enhancement: 10 kinds of unicorns, each one's horn only cures one of them.
10:29 <aosdict> The chance of seeing all 10 types in an entire game is, of course, vanishingly low.
10:30 <Shishire> Oh god. That definitely lives up to the name Evil Patch Idea
10:32 *Wooble is wearing fashionable orange DSM for the AC.
2018 Apr 28 Sat:
17:46 <dtype> FIQ: bleh, the webconf stuff going to take me more than a few minutes for 361, even the raw one
17:46 <FIQ> dtype: can you c/p my xnh config? :3
17:46 <aosdict> YASI: Pirate characters suffer from permanent monster displacement for all monsters, because they're one-eyed and lack depth perception.
17:47 <dtype> FIQ: sure
2018 Apr 29 Sun:
15:56 <pellsson> nao at the time was 100% unplayable from eu
15:56 <pellsson> like 2 sec latency
15:56 <Novel> YASI Love the new to 3.6.0 look at nearby monsters, objects -- any way to add traps rather than have to exact specify to find trap type?
15:58 <stenno> hitpointbar is one the best things
21:11 <jonadab> This is why Fourk makes enlightenment easier to get early.
21:12 <Rodney> [nh360] Bajax (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 320 points, T:984, killed by a small mimic
21:13 <aosdict> EPI: +0 rings of protection contribute nothing to MC, and negative ones subtract 1 from it.
21:14 <Rodney> [nh360] maxmaxmaxmaxmax (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3663 points, T:3823, killed by a gray unicorn, while reading a book
2018 May 01 Tue:
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08:51 <aosdict> Monsters are someone else :)
08:51 <Rodney> [nh360] atorox (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 239 points, T:455, killed by a hobbit
08:52 <Andrio> ^^
08:54 <jonadab> EPI: a special level filled with cockatrices, nymphs, foocubi, nurses, umber hulks, and soldiers. The soldiers are each generated with leather gloves, a potion of blindness, and a potion of paralysis.
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14:00 <Novel> yep. And the changes in 'nom are interesting too
14:01 <zid> magic traps blinding you is the main issue with nethack everything else is masturbation :P
14:01 <jonadab> EPI: magic traps can also make you hallucinate for hundreds of turns.
14:01 <jonadab> Or stun you, or confuse you.
2018 May 02 Wed:
17:45 <nervous> i like to taste it from the inside
17:45 <Novel> if being stoned
17:46 <aosdict> nervous: YASI: a way to eat your engulfing monster.
17:47 <aosdict> I mean, after you kill the jelly, you can eat its corpse without too much trouble.
2018 May 03 Thu:
02:33 <dizzylizzy> Idea: unicorn horns are OP as all heck
02:33 <dizzylizzy> they have a 1/121 chance of starting the stoning process if you use them
02:34 <attie> that's an evil patch idea
02:34 <morakh> I liked how in unnethack they no longer cure attribute loss
2018 May 04 Fri:
19:56 <aosdict> :P
19:57 <Raeven0> cancel the kops, maybe they'll drop the charges against you
19:57 <aosdict> YASI: a cancelled shopkeeper will no longer buy and sell items. He'll still react to theft, but you can't pay him and he doesn't offer you money if you drop stuff in his shop.
19:58 <dtype> What? the vibrating square has an icon now?
2018 May 07 Mon:
09:16 <Andrio> That's the wrong one.
09:17 <Andrio> https://www.dropbox.com/s/z4m6lcx3kgme9vi/Screenshot%202018-05-07%2023.16.06.png?raw=1
09:17 <ChrisE> YANI / Evil Patch Idea: Enchanters increase the enchantment of their opponent's items in the same way that disenchanters decrease it. (May be bad for game balance.) If an enchanter and a disenchanter touch, they mutually annihilate. (Evil because the player can be an enchanter.)
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09:59 <ChrisE> Or indeed when you find engravings on the floor.
09:59 <Wooble> YANI: artifacts just appear as their base type unless you explicitly read them.
09:59 <aosdict> EPI*
09:59 <Wooble> you should get a prompt for the scroll labels and engravings if you haven't broken illit yet. :P
2018 May 08 Tue:
06:59 -!- nhmall_ is now known as nhmall
07:01 <Rodney> [nh360] sauvaigne (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 386 points, T:1358, killed by a boulder
07:03 <Andrio> YASI: using copper wand has a 1/121 chance to summon a random Keystone Kop
07:04 <Andrio> Or 1/2 if it happens to be a wand of create monster.
21:25 <Andrio> The status line showed it, so I ate a lizard corpse.
21:25 <isha> huh, was it in your message log?
21:25 <Andrio> ‘You feel limber!’
21:25 <Andrio> The wand of speed had no effect either.
21:25 <isha> i guess it's possible it was changed since it's in the status bar now but that would be evil
21:26 <isha> are you sure you didn't skip it with esc or something?
2018 May 11 Fri:
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09:21 <Gustavo6046> we should do a wiring system
09:22 <Gustavo6046> YASI: a wiring system, connecting traps, and such stuff; with detectors and signal modifiers
09:22 <Gustavo6046> signal modifiers would be stuff like AND gates, NOR gates, flip flops, etc
13:43 <Rodney> BilldaCat (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4277 points, T:2203, killed by a hill orc
13:43 <Rodney> BilldaCat reaches #514 on the top 2000 list.
13:43 <Wooble> unless you're playing some evil variant with a potion of petrify it was probably the egg. :)
13:43 <dizzylizzy> Ohhh
2018 May 14 Mon:
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18:12 <fishhoek> oh right I forgot about your Pestilence thing that was brutal
18:16 <dizzylizzy> pestilence is EVIL
18:19 <Rodney> Longnight (Val Dwa Fem Law), 740 points, T:3448, killed by a couatl of Tyr
2018 May 15 Tue:
16:17 <fishhoek_> You can ask dtype to restore an earlier save file if one exists or you can wait and see what happens and if your existing save file can be recovered or not
16:17 <dtype> Evilparsnips_: what char name. what game version?
16:18 <Evilparsnips_> char name is Evilparsnips, version 3.6.1
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2018 May 17 Thu:
15:59 <eraserhead> rofl
16:00 <aosdict> but no, not specifically
16:00 <ChrisE> (EPI?)
16:00 <eraserhead> I guess nerf the difficulty or buffed how easy it would be
2018 May 18 Fri:
10:35 <attie> YANI: thin spellbooks weigh less than other spellbooks.
10:35 <Kalir> Cliff's Notes on Teleport Self
10:35 <Wooble> evil patch: thin spellbooks drain your nutrition when you read them
10:36 <ChrisE> And thick spellbooks are heavier?
2018 May 21 Mon:
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19:37 <Menche> Evil Patch Idea: forcing a chest with a metal weapon increases the likelihood of an electrical trap and multiplies its damage
19:37 <Menche> only subtly evil
2018 May 25 Fri:
23:31 <aosdict> make sure it's really a valid location
23:31 <nosomebodies> Did you die?
23:31 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: Make free action into an amulet instead of a ring.
23:31 <fishhoek> hmm i should have not let myself forget wiz lock. would have been nice to stink up the entry hall then immediately create a locked door in place of the disintegrated draw bridge
2018 May 26 Sat:
06:22 <fishhoek> yeah if you are trying to avoid archonstorms and staying at XP19, the MM damage output is like in the mid 30s I think
06:23 <ChrisE> Oooh...
06:23 <ChrisE> YASI: New monsters 'on', 'demion', and 'master on'
06:25 <ChrisE> They are lower-level versions of the Archon, of course.
2018 May 28 Mon:
09:01 <ChrisE> In the evil anti-stenno Improved Tin Opener takeover coup headquarters?
09:03 <Rodney> Myawrq (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 50 points, T:325, killed by a goblin
09:03 <Muad> if anti-stenno is evil, stenno is good?
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2018 May 30 Wed:
19:32 <aosdict> In Fourk, jonadab created a new artifact called Big Stick.
19:32 <playultm8> maybe I can make it after all
19:33 <greqrg> YASI: Caveman Artifact saddle that can only be used on mastadons
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2018 Jun 07 Thu:
10:35 <xyzyxx> In my last game as a Samurai my katana became a "samurai sword" because of amnesia
10:35 <Rodney> Myawrq (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 23 points, T:131, killed by a goblin
10:36 <Wooble> Evil Patch: you should forget how to use it if you don't know what it is.
10:36 <Rodney> hobbitfodder (Pri Hum Fem Law), 276 points, T:1171, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food
2018 Jun 08 Fri:
09:24 <fishhoek> hmm i'm also "warned of elves"
09:25 <Rodney> ubiquity (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2154 points, T:2118, killed by a killer bee
09:25 <ChrisE> Yet Another Nice Idea: Telephones. (Either a tool, or maybe (YASI) a helm of telephony.) If you and an intelligent pet both have them, you can use yours to ask your pet where they are if they are on a different level to you.
09:27 <Rodney> ubiquity (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 93 points, T:280, killed by a water moccasin
2018 Jun 09 Sat:
19:30 -!- Announcy [~Announcy@80-219-37-205.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #NetHack
19:30 <ChrisE> Not all rings are metallic.
19:30 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: Metallic rings give a spellcasting penalty.
19:31 <Rodney> Pengu (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2897 points, T:3077, killed by a Green-elf, while praying
2018 Jun 14 Thu:
22:03 -!- dizzylizzy\ito [~aubrey@fsf/member/dizzylizzy] has joined #NetHack
22:03 <Rodney> ruffni (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 495 points, T:1527, killed by a gnome king
22:04 <Elronnd\srn> YASI: if you weild an iron ball and read a ?oEW, it is removed
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2018 Jun 18 Mon:
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00:15 <aosdict\ito> YASI: artifact Granny Weatherwax's Hat: cornuthaum that acts as a hard helm and causes monsters to shy away from you when worn.
00:16 <aosdict\ito> or was it Nanny Ogg? can't remember
2018 Jun 19 Tue:
07:18 <fweep> stupid chameleon
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07:18 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: Charge the same for a -n item as for the +n version.
07:19 <fweep> i had a ring of protection from shape changers too
14:02 <Rodney> rsa (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 286 points, T:1012, killed by a brown mold
14:02 <Wooble> gridBugKilla: it's a delicacy.
14:03 <Wooble> Evil Patch Idea: describe the flavor and consistency of every meal in great detail.
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15:25 <gridBugKilla> oh okay
15:26 <Rodney> spiridion (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2047 points, T:7085, killed by an iguana
15:26 <aosdict\ito> that would be an excellent Evil Patch Idea
15:26 *gridBugKilla reads about unicorn horns
2018 Jun 21 Thu:
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11:43 <Wooble> I guess one must have been on the boulder behind the first one.
11:45 <aosdict\ito> Evil Patch Idea: Every time you scare a pet via standing on ?oSM, tameness is decreased by 1.
11:46 <Wooble> oops
2018 Jul 04 Wed:
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18:55 <bombadorz> fashion is important. I could've gone with the sdsm, but opted for gdsm because "Wolf grey" is the latest fashion trends among tacti-cool operators
18:56 <aosdict> YASI: rapper role. Primary role benefit is that you can wear 10 (or more) rings and 5 amulets
18:56 <zid> Lawful god: Mr. T
2018 Jul 10 Tue:
13:27 <xlirate> who knew?
13:27 <Rodney> xlirate (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 35 points, T:287, killed by a kobold
13:28 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: If potions of oil are 'smoky', then lit potions of oil and lit oil lamps (perhaps also lit magic lamps) produce clouds of smoke that block vision.
13:30 <Rodney> THEGOAT (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2359 points, T:3809, killed by a gnome
2018 Jul 12 Thu:
10:12 -!- theRaisse [~irina@calcifer.xs4all.nl] has joined #NetHack
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10:15 <ChrisE> Evil Patch Idea: Scroll of remove blessing
10:15 <ChrisE> (Though to be honest this isn't that evil since there are already bad scrolls so you just wouldn't read it.)
2018 Jul 13 Fri:
17:45 <Rodney> luciusmilloy (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1665 points, T:2624, killed by a giant ant
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17:47 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: wands of wishing never generate on Friday the 13th. Even the guaranteed one.
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2018 Jul 20 Fri:
12:07 <aosdict> which is a one-time effect
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12:08 <aosdict> YANI/EPI: when you're hit with aggravate monster spell at melee range, you gain intrinsic aggravate monster for a little while.
12:08 <Rodney> [nh360] Lettuce (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 321 points, T:1099, killed by a small mimic
2018 Jul 31 Tue:
16:14 <Rodney> They are evil and want you dead.
16:15 <MisteryMyra> I can pretty much only use them when I'm playing locally
16:15 <Wooble> also the rest of the game is evil and wants you dead, so...
16:15 <Rodney> augmentedfourth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 922 points, T:2105, killed by a water moccasin