Evil from #openbsd:

2015 Oct 06 Tue:
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04:14 <jirib> has anybody tested uebeyasi@'s diff for ipmi support? https://github.com/uebayasi/openbsd-ipmi
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2015 Oct 26 Mon:
13:05 <a1fa> abyxcos: what do you mean you dont use gmail
13:06 <abyxcos> Probably re-install dillo for HTML mail.
13:06 <oldlaptop> the gmail web interface is evil
13:06 <abyxcos> a1fa: I use fastmail.
2015 Oct 28 Wed:
16:52 <mornfall> I can share this, URxvt.font: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-*-*-*-c-*-iso10646-1
16:54 <mornfall> which reminds me that someone here promised me a writeup on why xterm doesn't suck
16:54 <v32itas> because what is set for xterm affects rxvt and urxvt as well on slackware, not for everything but at least for colors. Because this white background is evil. Oh whatever just going to play with it and I'll find the way
16:54 <mornfall> try *.foreground, *.background, *.color0 etc
2015 Nov 04 Wed:
22:47 <kyfho> no one can gain since eveyrone stealing
22:47 <kyfho> anything tthat gets made
22:47 <kyfho> democracy is evil
22:47 <kyfho> some making rules for all
2015 Nov 20 Fri:
15:48 <oldlaptop> (signed overflow invokes nasal demons)
15:50 <mornfall> oldlaptop: undefined signed overflow doesn't make unsigned any better
15:51 <oldlaptop> what's so evil about unsigned integers anyhow
15:51 <oldlaptop> if you don't particularly want to store negative numbers, what does it matter
2015 Nov 25 Wed:
17:42 <farhaven> dude
17:42 <farhaven> that's a lot of windows
17:42 <mornfall> kyfho: that's because prolog is evil
17:43 <mornfall> kyfho: also, the port makefile suggests threading doesn't really work
2015 Dec 16 Wed:
14:10 <oherrala> hmmh
14:10 <mornfall> JVM can't enforce anything, not really
14:11 <MaliutaLap> java is evil, let's accept that and move on :)
14:11 <mornfall> and neither can haskell runtime
2016 Jan 13 Wed:
18:07 <oldlaptop> you could in fact argue that it's incompatible with the idea of 'freedom for everyone'
18:08 <oldlaptop> it relies on the computer being accessible only to this small group of AI hackers
18:08 <phy1729> I wonder if he thinks BCP38 is evil
18:08 <riceandbeans> I used to think the GPL was cool when I was big on linux
2016 Feb 06 Sat:
16:59 <js> well, because porting it is all but trivial
17:01 <js> needs a lot of adjustments for any OS it works on, teaching it all the syscalls etc.
17:01 <brynet> It's a lot of work done by uebayasi, but I think it went in between the tame/pledge rename
17:02 <jggimi> In my case, I have what appears to be a valid pointer in a chain of return return returns, and by the time its finished the value has changed. I'm thinking stack smash. Valgrind might not be able to assist.
2016 Feb 17 Wed:
22:41 <vortexx> SteampunkDuck: haven't got a usb thumbdrive hanging around ? install58.fs can be dd'd to that
22:43 <vortexx> or just try the "boot bsd.rd via grub" thing
22:43 <cpet> grub is evil
22:44 <SteampunkDuck> maybe this weekend I'll go out and buy a USB drive
2016 Feb 21 Sun:
14:54 <oldlaptop> Beats me
14:57 <Hakon> might have something to do with the https server that's in the standard library
15:00 <oldlaptop> node is evil, that's all I know about it
15:00 <oldlaptop> It's a javascript interpreter that does some kind of bad concurrency with mandatory async I/O
2016 Feb 22 Mon:
15:04 <martian67> but i havent seen it
15:04 <oldlaptop> SMART depends on the firmware being honest
15:04 <oldlaptop> storage is evil, so it lies
15:05 <mornfall> dunno, bashing SSDs was fun what, 8 years ago? it's pretty much sorted out now...
2016 Mar 28 Mon:
15:56 <_Raiz> when I started using computers the first os I used was winduz 2000
15:56 <oldlaptop> (read cvs(1), but basically -Pd says to prune directories that went away in the repo, and add directories that were added)
15:57 <oldlaptop> this is not the default behavior because cvs is evil
15:57 <_Raiz> it's shame that I didn't knew openbsd that dayz
2016 Mar 29 Tue:
22:09 <vortexx> since you can pxeboott, you could run diskless too if that's your thing
22:10 <vortexx> -t
22:10 <a1fa> machine learning is evil
22:34 <Graypup_> ERL uses a shitty internal usb stick
2016 Apr 18 Mon:
11:04 <grazzolini> lol
11:04 <puntocom> or simply don't deliver the image when the request does not come from my domain
11:04 <grazzolini> you guys are so evil
11:04 <grazzolini> heheheheh
2016 Apr 21 Thu:
09:53 <amonk> s/he/we/
10:16 <mornfall> openbsd libtool ignores LIBRARY_PATH... that's evil
10:32 <\renaud> LIBRARY_PATH is evil
10:34 <mornfall> is it now?
2016 May 04 Wed:
04:02 <IcePic> the --help part of "ip" is done by someone allergic to docs
04:03 <jirib> fully agree :)
04:03 <farhaven> duh, but --help is evil anyway :P
04:03 <\renaud> also, they keep it because vendors use them and they are afraid to break obsolete proprietary scripts
2016 May 26 Thu:
05:30 <skrzyp> looks like we'll get many newcomers from that website soon
05:30 <eip`> :D
05:31 <eip`> I saw this https://bitbucket.org/uebayasi/valgrind-openbsd, but I'm just curious, is it supposed to be already in the packages or not?
05:37 <skrzyp> $ pkg_info -I valgrind
2016 Jul 15 Fri:
11:52 <geggam_wk> that is simply obvious
11:52 <thrig> yep, this uni moved from paying for redhat to not
11:52 <grazzolini> geggam_wk: red hat is evil
11:53 <grazzolini> geggam_wk: I'm with you there
2016 Jul 23 Sat:
22:16 <mkb> cmd.exe :)
22:16 <oldlaptop> unfortunately you can't use konsole
22:16 <oldlaptop> and cmd.exe is evil
22:16 <mkb> which is not that nice really
2016 Aug 01 Mon:
14:25 <entelechy> i was really surprised by the connection quality
14:25 <jwh> since its tcp and you could clamp mss
14:25 <jwh> tcp within tcp is evil though :(
14:26 <Bink> very
2016 Aug 03 Wed:
18:54 <farhaven> using openbsd doesn't mean masochism, it means pragmatism :P
18:54 <cisstrd> that's actually what I love about bsd compared to many linux distributions
18:54 <cisstrd> many seem to use linux because windows is evil
18:54 <farhaven> yup
2016 Aug 08 Mon:
20:13 <oldlaptop> here's a thought: I want hardware designed like OpenBSD.
20:13 <vortexx> oldlaptop: they should be more worried about where the stuff is all manufactured
20:13 <jwh> everything needs to be free and open, capitalism is evil, we just need to love each other
20:14 <jwh> etc
2016 Aug 13 Sat:
08:32 <martian67> the way they use the term "vlan" is infurating
08:32 <jwh> juniper, hauwei
08:32 <martian67> the phrase "default vlan" is evil
08:32 <jwh> yes
2016 Aug 19 Fri:
03:28 <jsoft> Roger that, cheers
03:30 <jsoft> Well that was far too easy. Surely an overcomplicated daemon and configuration framework must be in the works?
03:31 <IcePic> with kernel parsing of xml config files so evil you need a gnome app to generate it
03:32 <IcePic> "not for the faint of heart"
2016 Aug 26 Fri:
03:40 <FlyingJester> Oh wait, that's the NASA
03:41 <sikun> I hate this country more and more...
03:42 <sikun> anyone read about the insane price hike on epi pens?
03:42 <dobian> sikun, thank patent law and the FDA for that
03:42 <sikun> doesn't look like I'm getting my pack next week anymore.
03:42 <nola> sikun: I got the basics from a dank meme, yes. Like someone pushed for epi pens to be in schools, and then the same person upped the price by 600%.
03:42 <dobian> <3 patent law sikun
03:44 <sikun> lol...
03:45 <vortexx> FlyingJester: it'd help if a president actually had a proper vision for NASA. that hasn't happened in a long time, between the golfer and the guy in charge, Biden
03:45 <sikun> sorry, I do need epi pens
03:45 <sikun> and I literally can't pay $600 for them
03:47 <sikun> ugh
03:48 <sikun> looks like I'll just need to carry pepcid ac with me and make sure people know if I start eating/chewing a handful like skittles.. to call freaking 911
03:48 <dobian> nola, free health care is cancer if your country respects american patent law and pays american companies $600 per epi pen. TPP is cancer.
03:49 <dobian> sikun, why blame the successful capitalist? blame the system. blame patent law.
2016 Aug 30 Tue:
12:47 <anexit> ha, I've had luck with line printer daemon.
12:48 <anexit> Some PDF's just don't work well.
12:48 <geggam_wk> the new pdf format is evil
12:48 <geggam_wk> not very portable
2016 Aug 31 Wed:
23:18 <Vaelatern> The doublequotes are necessary for variable expansion
23:19 <oldlaptop> yes, and I believe you need them around the function too... hm
23:19 <oldlaptop> evil idea: forget the parameter, use it as a global
23:20 <oldlaptop> (and wait for the raptor attack or whatever)
2016 Sep 07 Wed:
15:36 <geggam> charge you more for less features
15:37 <jwh> dunno, mine works pretty well and isn't android so thats a bonus
15:38 <geggam> is evil not evil if it is less evil or more evil ?
15:38 *geggam adds one more evil
2016 Sep 09 Fri:
22:12 <jwh> 100 points to me
22:12 <Warr1024> I never really learned csh.
22:12 <jwh> csh is evil
22:12 <jwh> shell nice enough, scripting not so much
2016 Sep 11 Sun:
11:09 <geggam> ok... im off to make offtopic stuff happen at a farmers market blakkheim :)
11:09 <blakkheim> enjoy
11:09 <ukkok> usb is evil will eat your soul and infect your computer with NSA firmware viruses
11:09 <amonk> lol
2016 Sep 15 Thu:
04:04 *broketech ducks.
04:04 <\renaud> chrome is google
04:04 <amonk> is evil
04:06 <amonk> google actually has a "verbatim" knob you can switch on now to search for what you actually searched for... and still doesn't work. it's insane. how did i get here? how do i escape?
2016 Sep 19 Mon:
09:11 <evenfall> countless hours were spent on the problem of pruning unused entries from /dev
09:11 <\renaud> well, hotplugd can mount or start network
09:11 <\renaud> but creating devices dynamically is evil
09:12 <IcePic> usb does it nicely on obsd
2016 Oct 29 Sat:
17:58 <hd1> but for now, I'm trying to build the first image
18:00 <yulax> maybe it is worth looking at how the installation image is built?
18:00 <hd1> https://gist.github.com/uebayasi/6328591#file-openbsd-cross-build-tips-md using this in conjunction with make release right now
18:00 <yulax> since this is its own small system configured to run the installer, and to not write anything to the device
2016 Nov 15 Tue:
11:17 <qweo> "Actively violates user's privacy, security and installs backdoors".
11:18 <qweo> Also "peddles DRM" and other things.
11:18 <Ove_> That would mean openbsd is evil also.
11:18 <fcbsd> that sounds like everything but the novena
11:19 *fcbsd is the that the single user mode...
11:19 <IcePic> also, you would not get away with exposing something like that if it was true
11:19 <broketech> samsung is evil?
11:19 <broketech> fujitsu is aight
11:20 <thrig> IcePic: easier question might be who doesn't spy
11:20 <qweo> kl3: got one. Don't think core/libreboot supports T510i though.
11:21 <qweo> Sony is evil too, but that one goes without saying :-)
11:21 <broketech> this chat is evil
11:22 <indigo> qweo: If you're concerned about evil, just use what Stallman uses
11:22 <indigo> He's got a Thinkpad X60 with libreboot
2017 Jan 04 Wed:
15:47 <oldlaptop> so there goes that idea
15:48 <Habbie> no longer path
15:48 <Habbie> unreplied unresolved issue here it appears https://bitbucket.org/uebayasi/valgrind-openbsd/issues/40/mmap-failure-cannot-allocate-memory-on
15:48 <oldlaptop> libexec, rather
2017 Feb 04 Sat:
16:16 <ladders> simple things like CSV output corrupt all the time
16:22 <oldlaptop> now, to be fair, 'bad quality' and 'upstream only cares about one platform' are positively correlated
16:23 <oldlaptop> also, CSV is evil
16:24 <oldlaptop> if only for being something no two csv parsers agree on (or, by the same token, something that doesn't really exist)
2017 Feb 23 Thu:
09:46 <martian67> ive never seen it actually used in a meaningful context
09:48 <martian67> Riastradh, even the git attack isnt terribly realistic, at least not for something like say the linux kernel
09:48 <martian67> because they merge the non-evil patch upstream, you still have to get inbetween upstream and people pulling from it to do something evil
09:48 <Riastradh> PGP, maybe not, but certificates in general -- of which PGP key signing is one example, and HTTPS certificates are another -- is certainly a widespread concept that, if done with badly designed signature schemes like RSASSA-PKCS1.5 or probably-deliberately vulnerable ones like RSASSA-PSS.
2017 Mar 09 Thu:
14:21 <Habbie> sigh, why are dhclient lease timestamps human readable
14:22 <Habbie> who would ever want that ;)
14:22 <jwh> isc is evil, have you ever tried to find a lease in the dhcpd db
14:22 <jwh> :D
2017 Mar 19 Sun:
14:03 <oldlaptop> that doesn't mean the devices don't work, mind
14:03 <oldlaptop> although recent atheros is one of the more prominent holes in wifi driver support, IIRC
14:03 <oldlaptop> (the other is broadcom. broadcom is evil, you probably knew that already)
14:03 <slick> i actually didnt know that btw
2017 Apr 05 Wed:
20:29 <netstar> ur right
20:29 <netstar> it wa s0
20:29 <oldlaptop> your library relies on undefined behavior, and it is evil
20:29 <oldlaptop> the correct solution is to either repair the library, or cast it into the fires of doom
2017 Apr 29 Sat:
11:41 <oldlaptop_> unfortunately that's not enough. all the weasels want their windoze to work
11:41 <dstolfa> oldlaptop_: The transition to RISC-V is pretty seamless though, we have compilers
11:41 <oldlaptop_> I'm well aware that backcompat is evil
11:41 <oldlaptop_> but the market appears to judge it necessary
2017 May 23 Tue:
19:42 <acidfoo> I don't know what I did, but now in ksh/xterm when I press ^R it doesn't browse my history... it only print "^R" :(
19:42 <acidfoo> any idea ?
19:42 <Vigdis> vi mode ?
19:42 <acidfoo> in the bind list I have this: ^R = search-history
19:43 <Vigdis> (vi mode is evil so any problem may be cause by vi mode)
19:43 <acidfoo> mmm I don't know, I start a new xterm, the first thing I do is ctrl-R and it does that
19:46 <acidfoo> mmmmm now working
19:46 <Vigdis> \o/
19:46 <Vigdis> another proof that vi mode is evil
19:46 <acidfoo> I wonder how I managed to change the mode lol :P
2017 May 29 Mon:
06:01 <Kowalczyk> Thanks for the help :)
06:22 <v32itas> finally I installed openbsd, It was that RAID stuff causing problems switched to ACHI or whatever its called and install was able to detect hdd
06:22 <v32itas> that RAID is evil
06:23 <v32itas> farhaven, your advice helped
2017 Jul 07 Fri:
05:10 <campitor> I also have another stupid everyday childish question, the last one, how well protected is BSD in a totally messed up untrustable processing environment, what I mean is, if you can not trust the hardware you are using, can BSD protect you to some extent? something like this paper: http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~simha/preprint_oakland11.pdf ?
05:10 <campitor> sorry if I am acting like a child
05:10 <IcePic> I think it has been "proven" that you basically cant protect yourself if the hw is evil
05:11 <campitor> IcePic : please enlighten me
2017 Aug 31 Thu:
22:59 <mkb> daurnimator, that's what I was thinking of
22:59 <oldlaptop> lengths are different, who's complaining? :P
22:59 <oldlaptop> except that tab completion is evil
23:00 <mkb> and amazon.com llc the online retail company supposedly uses amazon web services technology to scale for black friday right
2017 Nov 12 Sun:
18:03 <puffymon> OpenBSD dev remove code as often as they add :D
18:03 <puffymon> devs*
18:03 <freakazoid0223> bloat is evil
18:04 <Xenguy> Does that mean there's no port of systemd on the way then?
2017 Dec 29 Fri:
14:36 <phy1729> pass out quick
14:37 <Vigdis> that's not really polite to drop
14:39 <Han> indeed, simply block instead. Not everybody is evil.
15:02 <martian67> it makes debugging more annoying
2018 Jan 11 Thu:
20:53 <Xenguy> torbrowser and pale moon
20:53 <Xenguy> 2 examples
20:53 <Vigdis> phy1729, google is evil
20:54 <Xenguy> But I'm not actually on openbsd, I just lurk here
2018 Jan 19 Fri:
03:59 <mongoose_jake> both look pretty good
04:02 <mongoose_jake> I' am going to try cwm right now
04:12 <mongoose_jake> so evilwm lives as cwm, nostalgic :-)
04:12 <mongoose_jake> I couldn' t get it to launch a program though without doing so in xterm
2018 Feb 26 Mon:
08:04 <teratorn> the destination doesn't matter
08:05 <phy1729> well it does usb drive vs cd
08:05 <nerfur> can anybody help me with java applets on OpenBSD/amd64? ( I know it is evil...) What web browser, java packages and additional configuration you use?
08:05 <phy1729> and yes .fs for usb drive
2018 Jun 14 Thu:
04:44 <azarus> tdm4: mmh, bell labs
04:44 <azarus> nice
04:56 <jbelka> again Theo is evil :D
04:57 <jbelka> if anybody is good hacker he can code access to ddb via usb port
2018 Aug 18 Sat:
22:37 <oldlaptop> There are other people who archive openbsd lists too, you shouldn't use them
22:37 <toothe> Apologize and thank you for being patient with me.
22:37 <oldlaptop> nabble.com shows up in a lot of web searches, it is evil
22:37 <toothe> oldlaptop: why so?
2018 Sep 18 Tue:
10:34 <IcePic> or how it looks
10:34 <azarus> so secure
10:34 <phy1729> system is evil and I wish it would die. Espically from ikectl
10:34 <semarie> aalm: I didn't see any announcement that i386 was no supported anymore
2018 Oct 27 Sat:
18:02 <mornfall> good for you (though you don't really need root for upgrading, and when you are in bsd.rd, you can just change passwords at will...)
18:15 <oldlaptop> console access is root access
18:18 <Posterdati> mornfall: it is evil indeed, for years they covered the truth over the real microprocessor inventor
18:20 <oldlaptop> martian67: even more recently from AMD, the occasional "6 core" ryzen parts that actually accidentally have all eight cores enabled out of the box (there were apparently a few of those)
2018 Dec 12 Wed:
16:01 <oldlaptop> I don't often do web searches for openbsd things though (which is one of the main reasons to use openbsd...)
16:02 <oldlaptop> most of the time you want manpages, the FAQ, or possibly one of a handful of mailing list archives, all are best searched with something other than a search engine (unless you want site:openbsd.org to search the FAQ)
16:02 <oldlaptop> random stuff on random blogs is problematic, and the mailing list archive that tends to show up is evil (nabble)
16:10 <joe9> recall the "firefox mouse selection not available in xterm" that I was having yesterday. It was because I was using xauth with untrusted mode.
2018 Dec 18 Tue:
05:19 <gaston> zelest: yes it defaults to no
05:19 <gaston> on purpose
05:20 <gaston> because autoplay is evil
05:20 <azarus> It just tells me the length of the file and a "?"
2018 Dec 25 Tue:
16:52 <aalm> shows how much i know xD
16:52 <helby> it does not matter, at least it's expensive
16:52 <oldlaptop> jwh: to be clear: the practical problem is/was vlc volume settings >100% causing damage of some kind to the stupid little speakers in certain dell laptops (and dell considering the warranty void because vlc is evil hacker toolz, or something)
16:52 <oldlaptop> that is bullshit and should not be possible
2018 Dec 29 Sat:
16:09 <nacelle> they can be
16:10 <nacelle> https://usbkill.com/products/usb-killer-v3
16:12 <beandog> that is evil
16:13 <beandog> I want one
2019 Feb 11 Mon:
03:57 <oherrala> You need to either adjust default class in login.conf or add yourself to the class you are trying to use
03:57 <antanst> yes, all other settings like datasize are enforced
04:00 <]BFG[> windows is evil but linsuck as well since crapware(d) :(
04:01 <]BFG[> I replacing all my debian, slackware, ubuntu, mint with BSDs slowly
04:44 <VLetrmx> what do we do?
04:44 <holsta> And 'abort trap' in -current
04:46 <holsta> VLetrmx: Search the archives and if you don't find an answer, maybe talk to the maintainer Masao Uebayashi
04:46 <VLetrmx> okay, was going to try the one in ports, but I can do that too
2019 May 28 Tue:
21:11 <awoserra> ?
21:11 <letty> awoserra i think blakkheim is making fun of me :|
21:12 <awoserra> blakkeim is evil.
21:12 <awoserra> he does voodoo.
2019 Jun 16 Sun:
07:47 <aalm> ^
07:47 <aalm> exit to return to the installer
07:47 <zelest> (or 1.1.1.1, because google is evil)
07:47 <zelest> but so is cloudflare so whatever
2019 Aug 03 Sat:
10:02 <epony> P5s are relatively low power, although not very efficient these days at that power.
10:02 <sibiria> i fear Intel, but not Arm
10:03 <nexgen> me too, but i586 does not look so evil as later Intels
10:03 <sibiria> also, correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't TZ an optional module similar to how Neon and such are?
2019 Sep 08 Sun:
13:49 <oldlaptop> (and give the gnu people credit for one thing, they did notice that threat to their license model long ago, viz AGPL)
13:49 <roomba> it's necessary evil.
13:49 <tdm4> but if you have to hsot fleets of webservers... it's a great thing.. even if the company that runs it is evil
13:50 <roomba> mortgages don't pay themselves
2019 Oct 01 Tue:
18:38 <quinq> Which are irrelevent to the process
18:39 <awoserra> there is a distinct difference between barter/trade (what you are describing) and profit
18:39 <rcf> Specifically the religion in which oneself is incorruptible, and everyone else is evil.
18:39 <apotheon> awoserra: You don't need growth to get more out of trading away what you made, for your purposes, than what you put into it.
2019 Oct 11 Fri:
15:45 <pardis> Since most systems only allow one argument, so #!/usr/bin/env bash -e isn't valid, for instance
15:45 <pardis> As usual, it depends on what you're trying to do
15:45 <phy1729> set -e is evil anyway
15:45 <phy1729> (although one could use set -e in any case)