Evil from redacted4:

2017 Jul 01 Sat:
13:08 <K2@> i will ascend sporkhack gdammit
13:08 <K2@> without E
13:10 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: objects don't generate at random. You have to wish for them. All objects.
13:11 <K2@> hah
2017 Jul 08 Sat:
08:07 *jonadab would not have considered slex to be worth fixing, honestly.
08:09 <jonadab> Its whole design philosophy is "anything Amy thinks of is good and balanced by definition; anything anybody else thinks of or implements is SATAN"
08:09 <jonadab> (unless it's an EPI, in which case it might be worth implementing)
08:49 <K2@> :)
2017 Jul 10 Mon:
17:54 <FIQ> ok
17:54 <FIQ> nice
17:54 <FIQ> lorimer is evil btw ;)
18:14 <K2@> heh
2017 Jul 26 Wed:
11:24 <K2@> but _still_
11:24 *K2 passes out
11:24 <jonadab> YASI: host it, but make the menu entry hidden, so only people who are told what key to press will find it.
11:24 <K2@> so you're probably wondering how I typed that if i had passed out
2017 Jul 27 Thu:
10:49 <Tangles@> Hmm... genociding ; will only do krakens and sharks or something I suppose.
10:49 <Tangles@> I'll just keep the cloak greased and see how I go.
10:56 <jonadab> Evil Patch Idea: player-character monsters can genocide all A except for archons. If this happens, all A that spawn for the rest of the game are archons.
10:56 <K2@> wooo Tangles!
2017 Jul 29 Sat:
11:59 <K2@> Tangles lol
12:00 <FIQ> K2: so I don't need to !tell ?
12:00 <K2@> i'm sure this is an EPI somewhere, but: interactions with foobicus can sometimes give you an STD
12:00 <K2@> FIQ: yes absolutely you do
2017 Aug 05 Sat:
21:36 <K2@> s/teams/teamed
21:36 <Tangles@> yeah
21:36 <jonadab+> EPI: amulet of life saving saves your life... but it does so after your entire inventory falls to the ground.
21:37 <jonadab+> You can of course pick it back up... assuming you can survive a naked encounter with whatever killed you the first time.
21:37 <Tangles@> @s?archon
21:37 <BeerHolder> Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -6 | Attacks: 6d6 weapon physical, 6d6 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 3d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible
21:38 <K2@> jonadab... so evil
21:39 <Tangles@> Hmm pinobot does colour codes differently to the way Beholder does.
2017 Aug 07 Mon:
18:48 <K2@> it has no MR
18:48 <K2@> and only has an AC of 4
18:48 <jonadab+> Actually, if the lore of a beholder is that it beholds (sees) you, shouldn't invisibility protect against it, and blindness not? <-- EPI
18:49 <Tangles@> heh
2017 Aug 30 Wed:
22:59 <K2@> its an idea I've voiced before for vanilla, and even submitted it as an addition to 3.6.x (never got a reply)
22:59 <K2@> it is this:
22:59 <jonadab> K2: So you're going to comb through the EPI list looking for inspiration?
22:59 <K2@> the player cannot use the E word until they have discovered it in-game
23:01 <K2@> but
23:01 <FIQ> K2: one issue with that
23:01 <K2@> since gh is kinda known as the evil variant, it might as well be the test bed for that nerf
23:01 <FIQ> discovering the E-word is impossible
23:01 <K2@> no it isnt
2017 Sep 02 Sat:
02:33 <Tangles@> heh yup. Nothing shows on telepathy
02:36 <Tangles@> ah shit I need object detection
02:36 <Tangles@> grunthack is evil
02:37 <K2@> it is
04:05 <K2@> even I couldnt screw that up
04:06 <K2@> :P
04:50 <Tangles@> heh. I found a +1 pair of low boots of telepathy.
07:25 <jonadab> Tangles: You know what's really evil about GruntHack sokoprize doors? If you assume that the door will be locked, as it always is in vanilla, and attempt to unlock it, and your muscle memory hits the y to confirm before you realize it's asking if you want to _lock_ it, the door you were trying to unlock turns into solid wall, and you get no prize.
07:26 <jonadab> Oh, man, werebats. That would be evil. If you caught the lycanthropy, every time you changed into animal form, you'd be stunned. Eep.
09:42 <Tangles@> jonadab: I think we fixed that one.
2017 Sep 04 Mon:
10:12 <jonadab> Or bogohack?
10:12 <FIQ> hm
10:12 <FIQ> once my totally-not-evil patch is added to bilious
10:12 <FIQ> I should backport spell maint
10:12 <jonadab> Hmm, I hadn't done a git remote update on my SlashTHEM repo in a while. It is _taking_ a few minutes.
10:13 <FIQ> it's slex
10:13 <FIQ> what did you expect
10:13 <jonadab> Remind me what the totally-not-evil patch is?
10:14 <FIQ> I backported people's favorite fiqhack change
10:14 <jonadab> Spell maint?
2017 Sep 05 Tue:
08:00 <K2-webirc> that's how porn gets started
08:05 <Tangles@> The red dragon engulfs you! WTF???
08:05 <Tangles@> this shit is evil
08:07 <FIQ> what?
08:07 <FIQ> no
08:07 <FIQ> that's par for the course of dynahack
08:10 <Tangles@> You have a little trouble lifting z - a wand of striking. There are many more objects here. Welcome to experience level 11. Your movements are slowed slightly because of your load.
08:27 <K2-webirc> heh
08:40 <Tangles@> K2-webirc: Yeh I've had the gelcubes a couple of times. They sneak up on you. I think they are faster than vanilla
08:41 <jonadab> EPI: flying fast gelcubes, speed 18.
08:41 <Tangles@> jonadab: The message sequence was the result of killing a dragon while engulfed, then autopickup-ing the stuff it dropped.
2017 Sep 19 Tue:
08:03 <FIQ> however, I do think *crash* fixes should be ported
08:03 <FIQ> (devnull infamously never fixed astral call in all those years)
08:09 <jonadab> YASI: backport devnull to 3.0.0
08:12 <Mandevil> Backport devnull to rogue
2017 Oct 11 Wed:
10:38 <bhaak> which shouldn't be there in the first place, but there is some braindead software notably from microsoft that does
10:39 -!- NotTheOracle [~NotTheOra@123-243-209-87.static.tpgi.com.au] has joined #hfdev
10:40 <Mandevil> bhaak: BOM is evil.
10:41 <Tangles@> Bureau of Meteorology?
2017 Oct 13 Fri:
00:55 <FIQ> too bad friday the 13th wasn't next month
00:55 <FIQ> would be interesting to see the results in devnull
06:26 <jonadab> YASI: on October 31st, all levels have spiders and bats, in addition to what they would normally have.
06:26 <jonadab> And candy bars.
2017 Oct 14 Sat:
17:08 <jonadab> One of my class exercises was a program that reads in a text file and outputs all the lines that don't start with a comment character. It was like three pages long.
17:08 <K2@> YANI: pools of acid (yellow in color)
17:08 <jonadab> YASI: pools of boiling water
17:09 <K2@> or would pools of acid be a EPI
17:09 <K2@> or boiling water for that matter
17:09 <jonadab> I have actually seriously thought about pools of oil. Which you can dip empty lamps into to refill them.
2017 Dec 13 Wed:
08:08 <Mandevil> I had been writing Z80 assembly for quite some time
08:08 <FIQ> (and the gameboy has a slightly different set of instructions, and is missing some Z80 features)
08:08 <jonadab> YASI: make a C compiler that produces binaries that will run on Z80 _and_ amd64.
08:09 <FIQ> so a polyglot?
08:09 <jonadab> Yes.
2018 Jan 07 Sun:
20:14 <jonadab> Maybe make them drain experience, equal to some significant fraction of an experience level?
20:14 <FIQ> they kill
20:14 <jonadab> Oh, that is evil, yes.
20:14 <FIQ> well
20:14 <FIQ> unless MR
20:14 <jonadab> But this makes reflection completely useless against wands of death.
2018 Oct 22 Mon:
10:05 <jonadab> Oh, dear, evilhack.
10:05 <K2@> ;)
10:05 <jonadab> Please tell me this is not basically GruntHack plus Evil Patch Ideas plus slexification.
10:05 <K2@> amy must not follow me, because i havent heard a peep from her yet
2018 Oct 30 Tue:
10:00 <jonadab> I think it considers a tab to be equal to some specific number of spaces? Not 100% certain.
10:00 <aosdict> Tangles: I'm going to do a few tweaks to the swap chest eligibility logic based on stuff that came up recently.
10:00 <jonadab> The one where the difference between tabs and spaces matters, is make. Which is evil and horrible and bad and wrong.
10:01 <K2@> i'm now immune to the effects of drinking a 5 hr energy drink. this sucks
2018 Dec 30 Sun:
07:09 <Tangles@> K2: Yes, because that would be EVIL!
07:10 <Tangles@> and I finally pulled that change to the bot so it's live now.
2019 Jan 11 Fri:
12:55 <jonadab> The better to wish for things to kill you with.
12:55 <K2@> that part it looks like i got right
12:55 <K2@> i have not added 'let monsters use wands of wishing' code
12:55 <K2@> debating on whether or not to do that
12:56 <jonadab> That would be evil.
12:56 <K2@> agreed
12:59 <jonadab> Cursed scroll of wishing adds the wished-for object to an object chain, that only Rodney can loot from.
12:59 <K2@> is there any difference between BUC status of a scroll of wishing?
12:59 <jonadab> In Fourk there is.
12:59 <K2@> aaahh
12:59 <jonadab> But not what I just said, that would be evil.
12:59 <K2@> :/
2019 Apr 19 Fri:
08:57 <K2@> note to self - dont add force choking
08:57 <jonadab> Of course, nobody's going to add force choking to a NetHack variant, because that would be gratuitously evil.
08:59 <jonadab> EPI: The High Priest of Moloch can force-choke the player. So can the Wizard of Yendor.
09:01 <K2@> hah
09:02 <K2@> *quest artifact
09:02 <K2@> doesnt steal regular artifacts
09:02 <jonadab> Also, EPI: magic traps have twice as many possible effects during the month of June, including one where they polymorph one random item in your inventory and levelport you 2d6 levels downward.
09:03 <K2@> lol
2019 Aug 08 Thu:
04:38 <Tangles@> oh yeah that's in potion.c which is unaffected.
07:49 <K2@> awesome
07:49 <K2@> yeah I wasnt so evil as to give poly spell to monsters
07:50 <K2@> cancellation was enough
2019 Sep 12 Thu:
07:14 <aosdict> I suppose you could do it using an unused flag for tins
07:15 <K2@> yeah. its kinda low on the to-do
07:15 <aosdict> Evil Patch Idea: Random tins can carry zombie infection, and you don't know whether it does or not until you eat it.
07:15 <K2@> hah
07:15 <K2@> whats already evil is that you cant tell if that tin of kobold meat was a regular kobold or a kobold zombie
07:17 <aosdict> Yes, but for maximum Evil in the EPI tins of things like, mimics, can be zombie
07:21 <K2@> :)
07:34 <aosdict> forges must be pretty new because the wiki page doesn't seem to describe them
07:41 <aosdict> YASI: The default material for skull caps is bone.
07:45 <aosdict> heh, now I find a bone skull cap that my elf can wear
2019 Sep 14 Sat:
18:34 <K2@> it was to prevent players from dropping it to be able to cast spells without power penalty
18:34 <K2@> maybe a better solution would be to allow intelligent monsters to snatch it away from under your feet like leprchauns can do with gold
18:35 <aosdict> EPI (maybe?): if you've *ever* held the Amulet, it drains your energy away regardless of where it is.
18:36 <aosdict> Honestly, the whole mechanic probably needs rethinking.
2019 Sep 24 Tue:
21:15 <K2@> i dunno why i read that as edible underwear
21:16 <K2@> dont ask
21:16 <AntiGulp> YASI
21:19 <jonadab> Ah, I think I was thinking of the big nested if that prevents parsing things like "wizard lock" and "master key" as a monster.
2019 Oct 01 Tue:
14:48 <K2@> You see a baby owlbear drop out of your pack! Its cries sound like "mommy."
14:48 <K2@> :)
14:56 <jonadab> EPI: if you lay an egg in a shop, it belongs to the shopkeeper. If you're holding it when it hatches, you get charged a usage fee, plus the price of the item.
14:56 <K2@> heh